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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

Re: torrents, I find a strange irony of people on a forum dedicated to spending a lot of money on audio hardware not willing to spend money on the music that hardware is supposed to be enhancing...

I am philosophically opposed to IP law. If someone buys a cd they can copy it and share it with whoever they want-they own it and its their property. If you own something you can destroy it, if you can destroy it then you can certainly share it. No one has a right to theoretical profits. Also, i do spend money on artists I like by going to their shows.
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I am philosophically opposed to IP law. If someone buys a cd they can copy it and share it with whoever they want-they own it and its their property. If you own something you can destroy it, if you can destroy it then you can certainly share it. No one has a right to theoretical profits. Also, i do spend money on artists I like by going to their shows.

 

I'm struggling to find all the words to explain why this pisses me off to the point of wanting to vomit.

 

If lying to yourself like this helps you sleep better at night, but this attitude is cancerous to all forms of art and entertainment. It is what kills creativity because people believe that the only thing that matters is physicality. Someone spends years crafting art and some ******* comes along and goes "well I bought the book, I should be able to give it away for free as long as it's not my COPY of the book right??"

 

Just... I need to stop talking or I'll start ranting hard enough at you that I'll get banned. I should probably just unsub from the thread until I'm sure this topic is gone.

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Man oh man, this is something incredible.

 

 

 

 

@Music Alchemist - I reckon this should be up your alley?

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

Re: torrents, I find a strange irony of people on a forum dedicated to spending a lot of money on audio hardware not willing to spend money on the music that hardware is supposed to be enhancing...

 

You've probably seen when I mentioned I spent tens of thousands of dollars on music.

 

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Originally Posted by Ike1985 View Post

I am philosophically opposed to IP law. If someone buys a cd they can copy it and share it with whoever they want-they own it and its their property. If you own something you can destroy it, if you can destroy it then you can certainly share it. No one has a right to theoretical profits. Also, i do spend money on artists I like by going to their shows.

 

Without intellectual property rights, (modern) society couldn't even function. (I shouldn't need to provide examples, since they're endless.)

 

There are limited resources on this planet, and they have value.

 

Artists invest their much more limited resources—time, energy, and money—into creating their art. It is something that they created, that they own, and that they can choose to give away or sell. It's their property that they license out to record labels and consumers.

 

Many of them do this for a living and rely upon it for sustenance.

 

Albums cost money to produce, ranging from a few hundred dollars to millions.

 

And that's just producing the music itself. You still have to manufacture and market it, which can cost a heck of a lot more.

 

Metal musicians make far less money than mainstream ones. Even some of the more popular metal musicians only make an average middle class income from it. The record labels often take advantage of them too, so in some cases they get significantly less money than they would if they had sold it through more direct mediums like Bandcamp. (It's hard to tell, though, but generally, without the labels promoting them, most "established" artists probably wouldn't be nearly as popular.)

 

It's not merely theoretical profits; it's actual profits that occur when people buy their music.

 

When you buy music, it is under a personal use license. If it's a physical disc, you can legally let someone borrow the original. You can also legally make copies (both physical and digital) for personal use.

 

But distributing those copies without authorization is different. When you do so, not only are you violating the personal use license provided by the producers, you are, more importantly, robbing the people in that industry from much of the fruits of their labor and preventing them from making untold earnings from all their hard work.

 

For the record, I do like the idea of everything being free, but it's just a fantasy that can't work in the real world.

 

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Man oh man, this is something incredible.

 

@Music Alchemist - I reckon this should be up your alley?

 

Thanks for thinking of me! Interesting stuff. Reminds me of DHG's Supervillain Outcast in some parts. I like the production too.

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I have seen Ulcerate's Shrines of Paralysis praised all over the place so I finally have it a shot. I will admit that DM is my least favourite genre, but there is great DM albums I enjoy. I have listened to this through a couple times now and I don't seem what everyone likes about it. For me, it is boring.  Maybe someone can help me understand this?

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I have seen Ulcerate's Shrines of Paralysis praised all over the place so I finally have it a shot. I will admit that DM is my least favourite genre, but there is great DM albums I enjoy. I have listened to this through a couple times now and I don't seem what everyone likes about it. For me, it is boring.  Maybe someone can help me understand this?

I wonder if this is one of the albums that Redcar was talking about when he said he was listening to dissonant metal more this year? Me too. I struggled with this kind of metal. I bought Ulcerate's Destroyers of All a few years ago and it didn't click. I forced myself through the album a few times, and I didn't see what the fuss was about. I was intrigued by descriptions I'd read about melding Neurosis with death metal. I couldn't get into it. I didn't hear much Neurosis at all-just the technical, dissonance. 

 

But, this year I bought Shrines and something changed. I've long liked the dissonant style of DSO. Somehow in BM it made more sense to my ears. Earlier in the year I bought Abyssal and that was the first dissonant DM album that I really liked. Something with the mix mash of blackened death and more melodic BM atmosphere just hit the right spot for me. 

 

Shrines took work. Multiple listens. At first it was just barrage of sludgy noise. Then, I started hearing some structure. I started hearing those jagged shards of melodic angular riffs mixed in with everything else and I could pick out details I hand't heard before. Now, it's maybe my favorite (or at least one of) album of the year. 

 

First of all, this kind of music is supposed to be unsettling-uncomfortable. But, there is is a a kind of chaotic beauty in the ugliness. 

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Spotify's "Year in Metal 2016" playlist is quite decent. Discoevered Herakiri for the Sky, great band.

 

https://play.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/3gXSqWt6URQ8DdLTc8uVkZ

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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 

I wonder if this is one of the albums that Redcar was talking about when he said he was listening to dissonant metal more this year? Me too. I struggled with this kind of metal. I bought Ulcerate's Destroyers of All a few years ago and it didn't click. I forced myself through the album a few times, and I didn't see what the fuss was about. I was intrigued by descriptions I'd read about melding Neurosis with death metal. I couldn't get into it. I didn't hear much Neurosis at all-just the technical, dissonance. 

 

But, this year I bought Shrines and something changed. I've long liked the dissonant style of DSO. Somehow in BM it made more sense to my ears. Earlier in the year I bought Abyssal and that was the first dissonant DM album that I really liked. Something with the mix mash of blackened death and more melodic BM atmosphere just hit the right spot for me. 

 

Shrines took work. Multiple listens. At first it was just barrage of sludgy noise. Then, I started hearing some structure. I started hearing those jagged shards of melodic angular riffs mixed in with everything else and I could pick out details I hand't heard before. Now, it's maybe my favorite (or at least one of) album of the year. 

 

First of all, this kind of music is supposed to be unsettling-uncomfortable. But, there is is a a kind of chaotic beauty in the ugliness. 

Thanks. I'm going to see if I can get my hands on the LP and spin that a few more times as I understand it is less compressed. The flac off bandcamp is just so fatiguing.

post #25539 of 25539

New Dopethrone is out, here is a taste of their previous best album IMO:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu-e4nIJN14

 

Their new release is FREE right on Bandcamp...Make sure you select FLAC when you download it.

 

https://dopethrone.bandcamp.com/

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