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post #18331 of 25493
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Originally Posted by Accoun View Post

Heh, interesting that you mention Motorhead. IIRC Lars Ulrich said in one of the interviews that one of his memories about them was when he went to their concert and saw a punk with a huge colored mohawk that no one seemed to mind (which to him was pretty unbelievable to see for that time). Guess that doesn't always work both ways (maybe unless you're actually Motorhead, haha).

The punks have always been the least accepting between the two groups. They started to merge up in the early 80's then straight edge hit and drove another stake between punks and metalheads. until "black metal" came along with the intensely satanic theme metal never really had a group philosophy and punk had already written quite a few manifestos and was a heavy political and social movement

The way I saw it back in the mid 80's metal owes punk huge for the music but I'm glad most metal never got too socially heavy
post #18332 of 25493

Reference links for those who want to do more research on the recent conversation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_thrash

post #18333 of 25493
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

The punks have always been the least accepting between the two groups. They started to merge up in the early 80's then straight edge hit and drove another stake between punks and metalheads. until "black metal" came along with the intensely satanic theme metal never really had a group philosophy and punk had already written quite a few manifestos and was a heavy political and social movement

The way I saw it back in the mid 80's metal owes punk huge for the music but I'm glad most metal never got too socially heavy

Lol.....so true. Metal was all fun and games until Black Metal showed up with it's ideas and code.


post #18334 of 25493
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post

Lol.....so true. Metal was all fun and games until Black Metal showed up with it's ideas and code.

 

If I had the equipment to properly record my music, my style of black metal would be much more diverse, since I combine it with many other styles. I'm not elitist in the sense that I demand conformity to old-school kvlt BM, but I am elitist in the sense that I am totally unique. :evil:

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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post

If I had the equipment to properly record my music, my style of black metal would be much more diverse, since I combine it with many other styles. I'm not elitist in the sense that I demand conformity to old-school kvlt BM, but I am elitist in the sense that I am totally unique. evil_smiley.gif

I have recorded on and off beginning in 1981. Frankly now it has never been more easy. When I was poor I only used two cassette recorders and played the first track on one recorder as I put down the second "overdub".

Today any computer is a complete multitrack studio, an IPad is a studio, they even have software to make a simple android smart phone into a recording studio.

Plus, most of the time your limited gear gives you that Kvlt sound! Look at what most Black Metal sounds like. All you need is a guitar, mic and drum machine.

The drum machine is also in the computer. So all you need is a guitar and mic. Just get a book on home recording and mixing.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 4/13/15 at 8:59am
post #18336 of 25493
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post

I have recorded on and off beginning in 1981. Frankly now it has never been more easy. When I was poor I only used two cassette recorders and played the first track on one recorder as I put down the second "overdub".

Today any computer is a complete multitrack studio, an IPad is a studio, they even have software to make a simple android smart phone into a recording studio.

Plus, most of the time your limited gear gives you that Kvlt sound! Look at what most Black Metal sounds like. All you need is a guitar, mic and drum machine.

The drum machine is also in the computer. So all you need is a guitar and mic. Just get a book on home recording and mixing.

 

I can only do sung vocals, more or less, so I would need to hire a vocalist for metal, at the least. This will require time and resources, even with the minimalist route. I don't know much about producing music. Raw quality is not what I am going after. All the music I compose (in all genres) is exquisite art, requiring the absolute highest quality to satisfy my standards. That includes mixing and mastering. And since I want my metal to sound even better than the best metal recordings, it would probably require a real band and real recording techniques. Not to mention that I would need a live orchestra and choir sometimes.


Edited by Music Alchemist - 4/13/15 at 9:05am
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I got you. Still you would be surprised how many movie soundtracks sound big but are just computers.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 4/13/15 at 9:08am
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Just get one of these, it has a USB DAC, can record guitar and vocals and comes with PC multitrack software.

 

Please read my post again. I will need far more than that to make the music sound the way I want.

post #18339 of 25493
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post

I got you. Still you would be surprised how many movie soundtracks sound big but are just computers.

 

Yeah yeah, but there are many things that can't be accomplished with software -- for example, intricate choral performances. And that's just scratching the surface of my requirements. I'd rather not record/release any music at all than make something that isn't as good as I want. Creating music is for my own passion, not money, after all.

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http://m.en.softonic.com/app/magix-music-maker

There is a version of this for the IPhone and iPad also android platform. Maybe it is simplistic but it's fun to mess with.

They have downloads for samples with different themes like rap, rock or movie soundtracks. Some how the styles all go together. Funny though the magix program for the iPod is different than for the iPhone which is different than the iPad and totally different than the one for Android. So if you have all four devices you end up with 4 completely different interfaces?
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The question was "Is Punk Rock natural or a corporate invention?"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtixwbCdJ4
post #18342 of 25493
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

 

Please read my post again. I will need far more than that to make the music sound the way I want.


So you're never going to record anything ever? Why not just have fun with it and record what you can for the time being? Better than waiting for unlimited resources. If every band waited until they could afford producers and guest musicians that cost $1000s an hour, we wouldn't have any music. You might find you can still realize your vision for your music, even with constraints. I respect that you want it to sound a certain way but not recording anything because of that sounds like a real bummer. I want to record a drone album using thousands of Sunn Model Ts in the Grand Canyon but it'll never happen, so I found other ways to play and record.

 

I'm currently programming drums for my black metal/doom project, I'm just itching to record. It's moving quite slow though with being in another band that plays shows every month, I get burnt out from playing and just want to listen for a bit. I love recording drone music though, which is all I've really done for the past couple of years. It's much more spontaneous and the results are always unexpected for me, very therapeutic for me.

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Originally Posted by 520RanchBro View Post
 

So you're never going to record anything ever? Why not just have fun with it and record what you can for the time being? Better than waiting for unlimited resources. If every band waited until they could afford producers and guest musicians that cost $1000s an hour, we wouldn't have any music. You might find you can still realize your vision for your music, even with constraints. I respect that you want it to sound a certain way but not recording anything because of that sounds like a real bummer. I want to record a drone album using thousands of Sunn Model Ts in the Grand Canyon but it'll never happen, so I found other ways to play and record.

 

I'm currently programming drums for my black metal/doom project, I'm just itching to record. It's moving quite slow though with being in another band that plays shows every month, I get burnt out from playing and just want to listen for a bit. I love recording drone music though, which is all I've really done for the past couple of years. It's much more spontaneous and the results are always unexpected for me, very therapeutic for me.

 

I'm a solo artist at heart and make music for my own satisfaction. What I meant was that I would never release anything unless it was up to my standards. I have tons of crappy demos. How would I realize my vision without having a large budget, when I want the highest recording quality possible and would also have to hire other musicians, including orchestras and choirs? XD

 

And about your drone album: I only glanced at it and thought you wanted to place thousands of cars in the Grand Canyon. LOL!

post #18344 of 25493
Well he is a perfectionist as many artists are. I put all my songs in the trash and only kept one tape of my early recordings. That is what art is. The destruction of the old with an excitement of what is new. You don't have new without old to get rid of.


By th way here is one of the greatest Punk bands to cross over to Thrash. Here is the 1987 album that did it.


The English Dogs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsvboAJ6lo
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Enjoying all of your posts. Punk is such an over used and clichéd word. Really what is punk. When we reference punk in metal circles, we're talking hardcore but a lot of young bands that get the punk tag have an almost warm, indie folk vibe. What I used to call alternative rock. Stuff like:

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFp1Q_Z8mM

 

 

 

perfectly enjoyable stuff-I would just sort of lump in with Indie rock-in fact I own both of these albums and enjoy them when I just want to keep it chill, but I don't think any of us would call this hardcore-LOL!

 

OASN, I posted the HP for metal thread, but I enjoyed listening to the new EnigmaAccoustics Dharma (prototype) and Athena amp, a pretty cool streaming DAC/AMP, The Audeze EL-8, HE-6 and spending more time with the HE-560 at the DC meet yesterday. Getting me inner geek fix.


Edited by markm1 - 4/13/15 at 10:58am
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