Originally Posted by ferday
Excellent overview markm1!
I used to be really in to free jazz super avant garde stuff, but now I much prefer what you call modal or hard bop. Kind of blue is awesome and I like most Coltrane, basically all the 'big names' are more my style of jazz
I prefer my really free association/noise/ experimental stuff these days in a much darker (maybe sinister is a better word) vein than jazz can offer, whether electronic or metal based. Jazz came from dark times but I don't make the association when listening
To be honest my favorite jazz is whatever Ella is singing over
I'm down with that, too. If I want something weird, there's so much interesting electronic, experimental metal, etc. Chaos w/ free jazz? Shoot-throw on some DEP, Sigh, DSO, Kayo Dot.....
Jazz is my chill out music. My version of classical. Even though a lot of it is challenging.
It's interesting. I did a little research recently. According to the jazz gurus in the puzzle palace wherever they live-in 80's-90's traditional jazz was left for dead and then Wynton Marsalis almost single handedly resurrected it. He has a decided preference for modal and hard bop often being compared to a young Miles.
Nowadays what a lot of people think of as-what is jazz?-has become that traditional 50's-60's sound of hard bop and modal leaving the free stuff behind-talking classic Miles, early-mid period Coltrane, Art Blakey, etc. That, and fusion...which is a totally different subject.
Art Blakey is interesting. He was a band leader that basically took on a new crew every few years and then his sidemen for the most part went on to have these massive careers after he mentored them-Miles Davis, Bud Powel, Thelonius Monk. Clifford Brown, Freddie Hubbard, Wayne Shorter, Cannonball Adderly, Dizzie Gillespie, Wynton Marsalis. Blakey had a hard driving sound that is a lot closer to rock to my ears. He liked steamy, sweaty, manly jazz. He kicked ass. You can basically pick up any well regarded Art Blakey and the Messengers release and know you're going to get some vintage stuff...like good wine or craft beer.
And, interestingly, it's the Art Blakey, Miles, mid period Coltrane (everything up through Love Supreme-Giant Steps is really good), etc. that seems to stand the test of time as much or more than free jazz.
I'm sure at the time, Coltrane and Ornette Coleman, etc. thought they were the future, but sometimes it's back to the future so to speak. The holy grail of free jazz seems to be Coltrane's Ascension-it's like one long song and is so out there-I couldn't get past the ten minute mark. But, for lovers of the genre-it's a milestone.
At the minimum, even if you despise jazz, if you enjoy music, you should hear Kind of Blue and Coltrane's Love Supreme once before you die. Kind of like reading Hamlet or something.
off my soapbox-looking foreward to the new Triptykon.
Redcarmoose-thanks for the Atomic Rooster...kind of early Pentagramish to me.
Edited by markm1 - 4/1/14 at 6:44am