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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I would agree-more free jazz-that kind of chaotic avant style. I just use Miles Davis Kind of Blue as the ultimate reference point for modal jazz and this is pretty far removed from that smooth, laid back but intense style.

I was thinking more of later Coltrane work. KoB is sort of the early period of that stuff, right?
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I place this kind of music as "just before metal" and listen to a song of it here and there. Atomic Rooster is another around when Sabbath took it slightly farther.


I've been wanting to check out Atomic rooster and never got around to it. I've always liked that kind of hard rock blues sound. Early Pentagram has a little of that vibe...but darker.

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I was thinking more of later Coltrane work. KoB is sort of the early period of that stuff, right?


I think that's right. Kind of Blue is the sort of original blue print in my mind for Modal. Some of the genres get kind of hard to parse. There's some cross over between what they call hard bop or post bop, modal and avant-garde. There are a handful  of albums in that vein. In addition to Kind of Blue, Miles Davis' Milestones and Miles Smiles are excellent.....but Kind of Blue is the most famous.

 

Herby Hancock's Maiden Voyage and Coltrane's Blue Train, A Love Supreme, and Crescent are well known, and excellent-often found in best jazz albums of all time kind of lists. Cannonball Adderly's Something Else is another one. I like the overall sound of modal. But, it's fairly traditional and "chill"...what some might even call cool jazz...makes me think of hip cats hanging out at the playboy mansion kind of vibe...or Madmen/Dean Martin fill in the blank era too cool for school-Clint Eastwood tough guys drinking martinis and chasing dames. I think of hard bop defined by Art Blakey and Sonny Rollins which has some R & B sensibilities and swings pretty hard-it almost "rocks" :smile_phones:

 

 Quite different to the chaotic, less structured style of free jazz-Ornette Coleman being the best known. Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch is a quintessential free jazz album that is worth the hype.

 

Coltrane got pretty experimental and "drone" like and then finally straight up avant garde and free. He became very spiritual "sheets of sound" -that's an intense listen-some of it takes a lot of patience.


Edited by markm1 - 3/31/14 at 7:45pm
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Coltrane got pretty experimental and "drone" like and then finally straight up avant garde and free. He became very spiritual "sheets of sound" -that's an intense listen-some of it takes a lot of patience.

This.
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I've been wanting to check out Atomic rooster and never got around to it. I've always liked that kind of hard rock blues sound. Early Pentagram has a little of that vibe...but darker.

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I think that's right. Kind of Blue is the sort of original blue print in my mind for Modal. Some of the genres get kind of hard to parse. He became very spiritual "sheets of sound" -that's an intense listen-some of it takes a lot of patience.

Excellent overview markm1!

I used to be really in to free jazz super avant garde stuff, but now I much prefer what you call modal or hard bop. Kind of blue is awesome and I like most Coltrane, basically all the 'big names' are more my style of jazz

I prefer my really free association/noise/ experimental stuff these days in a much darker (maybe sinister is a better word) vein than jazz can offer, whether electronic or metal based. Jazz came from dark times but I don't make the association when listening

To be honest my favorite jazz is whatever Ella is singing over smily_headphones1.gif
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Excellent overview markm1!

I used to be really in to free jazz super avant garde stuff, but now I much prefer what you call modal or hard bop. Kind of blue is awesome and I like most Coltrane, basically all the 'big names' are more my style of jazz
I prefer my really free association/noise/ experimental stuff these days in a much darker (maybe sinister is a better word) vein than jazz can offer, whether electronic or metal based. Jazz came from dark times but I don't make the association when listening

To be honest my favorite jazz is whatever Ella is singing over smily_headphones1.gif


I'm down with that, too. If I want something weird, there's so much interesting electronic, experimental metal, etc. Chaos w/ free jazz? Shoot-throw on some DEP, Sigh, DSO, Kayo Dot.....

 

Jazz is my chill out music. My version of classical. Even though a lot of it is challenging.

 

It's interesting. I did a little research recently. According to the jazz gurus in the puzzle palace wherever they live-in 80's-90's traditional jazz was left for dead and then Wynton Marsalis almost single handedly resurrected it. He has a decided preference for modal and hard bop often being compared to a young Miles.

 

Nowadays what a lot of people think of as-what is jazz?-has become that traditional 50's-60's sound of hard bop and modal leaving the free stuff behind-talking classic Miles, early-mid period Coltrane, Art Blakey, etc. That, and fusion...which is a totally different subject.

 

Art Blakey is interesting. He was a band leader that basically took on a new crew every few years and then his sidemen for the most part went on to have these massive careers after he mentored them-Miles Davis, Bud Powel, Thelonius Monk. Clifford Brown, Freddie Hubbard, Wayne Shorter, Cannonball Adderly, Dizzie Gillespie, Wynton Marsalis. Blakey had a hard driving sound that is a lot closer to rock to my ears. He liked steamy, sweaty, manly jazz. He kicked ass. You can basically pick up any well regarded Art Blakey and the Messengers release and know you're going to get some vintage stuff...like good wine or craft beer.

 

And, interestingly, it's the Art Blakey, Miles, mid period Coltrane (everything up through Love Supreme-Giant Steps is really good), etc. that seems to stand the test of time as much or more than free jazz.

 

I'm sure at the time, Coltrane and Ornette Coleman, etc. thought they were the future, but sometimes it's back to the future so to speak. The holy grail of free jazz seems to be Coltrane's Ascension-it's like one long song and is so out there-I couldn't get past the ten minute mark. But, for lovers of the genre-it's a milestone.

 

At the minimum, even if you despise jazz, if you enjoy music, you should hear Kind of Blue and Coltrane's Love Supreme once before you die. Kind of like reading Hamlet or something.

 

off my soapbox-looking foreward to the new Triptykon.

 

Redcarmoose-thanks for the Atomic Rooster...kind of early Pentagramish to me.


Edited by markm1 - 4/1/14 at 6:44am
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amazing album-i played this a lot last year.whats their other stuff like

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amazing album-i played this a lot last year.whats their other stuff like
http://www.discogs.com/Atomic-Rooster-Devils-Answer/release/2928216

I only have this.....http://www.discogs.com/Atomic-Rooster-Resurrection/release/3512341





So these are really the three records. Death Walks Behind You is the best, but the other two you would like as they are close to the same. I used to work with some old guys that told me how they were in the day. Carl Palmer left at one point for ELP also you may like Arthur Brown's one record which is where keyboards Vincent Crane came from.

Don't think many know or care about this style and the music is hard to find. Even that CD set is a non-authorized release.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 4/1/14 at 1:28pm
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http://www.discogs.com/Atomic-Rooster-Devils-Answer/release/2928216

I only have this.....http://www.discogs.com/Atomic-Rooster-Resurrection/release/3512341





So these are really the three records. Death Walks Behind You is the best, but the other two you would like as they are close to the same. I used to work with some old guys that told me how they were in the day. Carl Palmer left at one point for ELP also you may like Arthur Brown's one record which is where keyboards Vincent Crane came from.

Don't think many know or care about this style and the music is hard to find. Even that CD set is a non-authorized release.


I keep looking for them at my local tape and record traders store and have never seen them....you'repost was the first time I'd actually heard them.

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I thought he was talking about the death metal rooster

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I keep looking for them at my local tape and record traders store and have never seen them....you'repost was the first time I'd actually heard them.

 

I was a huge record collector and would always see records from 70-71 but never Atomic Rooster. The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown was always a looked for record but Atomic Rooster was maybe an obscure band unless you were into progressive rock at the time. So even when you had Carl Palmer on drums, he wasn't famous till ELP after.

 

I'm into finding the origin of metal so looking at these guys and finding the above greatest hits record in 1999 was interesting.

 

Before Alice Cooper and before KISS, before corpse paint in Black Metal you had Arthur Brown. He really was the first.

 

 

I guess if folks around here get into Atomic Rooster in 2014 it is because they were really Metals grandfathers and somehow they are still interesting due to their musicianship and ideas. Vincent Crane committed suicide after many years of mental issues, so ya......he was as dark as his keyboard playing.

 

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Atomic Rooster was a metal band before metal existed.

 

 

 

 

Skip to the 7 minute mark. LOL:D  Metal 1971!


Edited by Redcarmoose - 4/1/14 at 8:59pm
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Wow.

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Heavy as **** for the year imho & yes  crazy world of ab is good stuff-weird track

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