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wuss :D

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I dunno what the comment was, but I think we spent too much time yammering about that and not enough time talking about good music, yeah?

 

Anyone heard the new Conan? I loved their other stuff but the newest hasn't hit Rdio yet.

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Stoner sludge doom doesn't get much love on this thread:

 

http://bongbreaker.bandcamp.com/album/mountain

 

Haha, hilarious. I didn't see your post about Conan when I made mine. I'm looking forward to it.

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Stoner sludge doom doesn't get much love on this thread:

 

http://bongbreaker.bandcamp.com/album/mountain

 

Haha, hilarious. I didn't see your post about Conan when I made mine. I'm looking forward to it.

 

Hell yeah man. I feel like a lot of this thread is proggy and "high-minded". I've been on a big post/ambient kick myself but let's get some dirty metal in here.

 

Not bad on the Bongbreaker, lol. 

 

 

Bangarang!

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I think some people here learn a couple things about sound and start drawing conclusions without really digging deeper...

Definitely.
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You're right, how silly of me to be enjoying the music instead of faffing about with iTunes. 

 

BRB, doing stuff with my music instead of listening to it. What numbers should I be looking at in order to indicate I'm having fun?

Man, you are overdoing it a bit.
Nobody said that poor mastered/produced Metal can't be good Metal.
And if someone buys albums based on the Dynamic Range score or whatever, than all power to him/her!
No need to get so worked up about it.
I couldn't care less about all the graphs and such in the sound science section. But I don't go there and start arguments about them being tech freaks and accuse them of having lost their "love" for music or whatever.

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If i listen to metallica, dream theater this type of metal... what iem would suit me? My budget is 550 smily_headphones1.gif
Currently looked at the im04? Or is shure se535 ltd a good choice? Pls help me! smily_headphones1.gif thanks
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If i listen to metallica, dream theater this type of metal... what iem would suit me? My budget is 550 smily_headphones1.gif
Currently looked at the im04? Or is shure se535 ltd a good choice? Pls help me! smily_headphones1.gif thanks

Good day!
Earsonics SM64. All day every day.
Very musical presentation with great bass, even better mids and non-fatiguing highs. Soundstage, instrument separation and such is good, but not overwhelming. Some people also find them a bit too dark.
If you have the opportunity to try them, do it.

Have a look at jokers review (mine sucks):
http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/earsonics-sm64/

 

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Man, you are overdoing it a bit.
Nobody said that poor mastered/produced Metal can't be good Metal.
And if someone buys albums based on the Dynamic Range score or whatever, than all power to him/her!
No need to get so worked up about it.
I couldn't care less about all the graphs and such in the sound science section. But I don't go there and start arguments about them being tech freaks and accuse them of having lost their "love" for music or whatever.

 

When you start claiming things are "bad" because of the output of algorithms instead of just sitting back and enjoying the music, that strikes me as someone who has lost their way. It's music, not a video game. You don't get points for albums that have better SoundCheck scores.

 

You're right on going into that section and starting arguments. I don't do that either. I'm in here to talk about good music, and good music is good music regardless of what iTunes spits out on a results sheet. 

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When you start claiming things are "bad" because of the output of algorithms instead of just sitting back and enjoying the music, that strikes me as someone who has lost their way. It's music, not a video game. You don't get points for albums that have better SoundCheck scores.

 

You're right on going into that section and starting arguments. I don't do that either. I'm in here to talk about good music, and good music is good music regardless of what iTunes spits out on a results sheet. 

Well, that is something that people in this forum do. If that is rubbing you the wrong way, then I don't understand how you survived here for so long. Just learn to accept it.

Nobody said anything different.
The new Fleshgod Apocalypse album is a ton of fun but sounds like a total mess.
Do the people here still listen to it?
Hell yeah!

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Well, that is something that people in this forum do. If that is rubbing you the wrong way, then I don't understand how you survived here for so long. Just learn to accept it.

Nobody said anything different.
The new Fleshgod Apocalypse album is a ton of fun but sounds like a total mess.
Do the people here still listen to it?
Hell yeah!

 

I think it's possible to be a music lover and chat music without getting bogged down in charts.

 

I could sit and scrutinize the sound of the Fleshgod album for forever, and I think that's a great thing to do! What worked, what didn't. Instead of talking about what a chart says, talk about what your ears say! Isn't that the point of everything we do? Aren't we music lovers? If person A tells me how well produced an album is, and bolsters their point by showing me dynamic range readouts and lists of data points, while person B tells me it's produced well and describes the actual sonic qualities, who do you think I'm gonna listen to? Whose input do you think is more valuable?

 

I'd rather talk the MUSICAL merits of albums instead of being sunk into the mire of computer analysis. Hell let's tackle that Fleshgod album. Range aside, everything is just a big mush of distortion and kick drums. The drum kit is like 50% kick drum, 25% snare, and 25% everything else. It's not as bad as the Hour of Penance that's just this giant wall of a double kick, but it's still impossible to tell what the hell is going on in it. Plus those falsetto vox are just HORRID. Not to mention the songwriting is just nonexistent.

 

That's why I linked to Sophicide earlier. That's some seriously nice tech death. 

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I think it's possible to be a music lover and chat music without getting bogged down in charts.

 

I could sit and scrutinize the sound of the Fleshgod album for forever, and I think that's a great thing to do! What worked, what didn't. Instead of talking about what a chart says, talk about what your ears say! Isn't that the point of everything we do? Aren't we music lovers? If person A tells me how well produced an album is, and bolsters their point by showing me dynamic range readouts and lists of data points, while person B tells me it's produced well and describes the actual sonic qualities, who do you think I'm gonna listen to? Whose input do you think is more valuable?

 

I'd rather talk the MUSICAL merits of albums instead of being sunk into the mire of computer analysis. Hell let's tackle that Fleshgod album. Range aside, everything is just a big mush of distortion and kick drums. The drum kit is like 50% kick drum, 25% snare, and 25% everything else. It's not as bad as the Hour of Penance that's just this giant wall of a double kick, but it's still impossible to tell what the hell is going on in it. Plus those falsetto vox are just HORRID. Not to mention the songwriting is just nonexistent.

I don't know how long you have been following this thread, but the majority of posts here are band recommendations, people showing off their vinyl purchases and YouTube videos.

That is what most people here do.
But if some people like to talk about charts, numbers and graphs then it's their good right. If that is what makes them happy, then who are you tro judge them?

Sums it up pretty good.

 


Probably my favorite Funeral Doom track:

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Dude, no one here is saying that we don't like to talk about music. I reccomend music that has horrible production all the time just cause it's amazing music. But that won't ever stop me from complaining about the quality of the production, because I want the music to sound even better than it does through better production. I think that you are conflating the two issues of good music and good sound quality. Both of which are discussed on this website due to it being an audiophile forum. Getting mad that we talk about sound quality in addition to music quality won't get you anywhere.


And tech death doesn't have to sound like garbage just look at both the last two Origin CDs, both are in the DR8 range and sound freaking fantastic while also being excellent music. And while I haven't heard(or even heard of) all the music you listed, listing a few examples of metal that sounds good, doesn't discount the fact that most metal production is anywhere from bad to truely horrid. You're typical DR6 metal cd that comes out these days sounds servicable sure, but that's probably only becuase we've become accustomed to it, heck, I get excited as long as there isn't clipping. But that doesn't mean that it can't sound waaaaayyy better. Just look at that Swano mastered Torture Devision EP that Trogdor already brought up. There are some excellent sounding metal records but they are the exception rather than the rule which what we are trying to change.
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Confession, I've never liked Origin. I mean, I respect the crap out of 'em for the music skills... but man. Not much by way of songcraft there that I've heard. I think they're in the studio currently, though. Maybe the next one'll tickle my ol' earholes right.

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