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Originally Posted by Jamesy1969 View Post

They truly were something!

I traded tapes with Bill Steer back in the days when he wrote Phoenix Militia, so I followed Carcass pretty closely. The first 2 albums came out in a period that was awesome for extreme metal (and hardcore punk), so for anything to stand out, it had to be special. "Reek..." wasn't special enough - it was good, but not great.

"Symphonies..." however was mind blowing. Amazing tunes, well produced (!) and totally original. No-one sounded like Carcass, although many then tried to!

I also saw them live several times (live, they were honestly variable - especially before Mike Amott joined - but on a good day, with a good sound system, they positively slayed)


Nice to hear!
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Slowly converting all my CDs to lossless...I've bought some Sonos equipment to play on their speakers in different zones in my house. So, I've I'm closing in on 7,000 tracks as I convert every single CD I own and save on a NAS storage that my Sonos system can play wirelessly throughout the house.......which is pretty awesome.....decided to hit random play....Asphyx, then Darkthrone happen to be the first two tracks....my wife comes upstairs yelling.....

 

MARK....HORRIBLE....YOU CALL THAT MUSIC.

 

She probably secretly worries that I'm a mass murderer.

 

 

Ha, ha, ha! The story of my life.


Edited by markm1 - 7/20/13 at 8:12pm
post #10593 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Slowly converting all my CDs to lossless...I've bought some Sonos equipment to play on their speakers in different zones in my house. So, I've I'm closing in on 7,000 tracks as I convert every single CD I own and save on a NAS storage that my Sonos system can play wirelessly throughout the house.......which is pretty awesome.....decided to hit random play....Asphyx, then Darkthrone happen to be the first two tracks....my wife comes upstairs yelling.....

 

MARK....HORRIBLE....YOU CALL THAT MUSIC.

 

She probably secretly worries that I'm a mass murderer.

 

 

Ha, ha, ha! The story of my life.

Lol... Hahahaha

post #10594 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Slowly converting all my CDs to lossless...I've bought some Sonos equipment to play on their speakers in different zones in my house. So, I've I'm closing in on 7,000 tracks as I convert every single CD I own and save on a NAS storage that my Sonos system can play wirelessly throughout the house.......which is pretty awesome.....decided to hit random play....Asphyx, then Darkthrone happen to be the first two tracks....my wife comes upstairs yelling.....

 

MARK....HORRIBLE....YOU CALL THAT MUSIC.

 

She probably secretly worries that I'm a mass murderer.

 

 

Ha, ha, ha! The story of my life.

 

Now play Nas on your NAS

 

post #10595 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Slowly converting all my CDs to lossless...I've bought some Sonos equipment to play on their speakers in different zones in my house. So, I've I'm closing in on 7,000 tracks as I convert every single CD I own and save on a NAS storage that my Sonos system can play wirelessly throughout the house.......which is pretty awesome.....decided to hit random play....Asphyx, then Darkthrone happen to be the first two tracks....my wife comes upstairs yelling.....

 

MARK....HORRIBLE....YOU CALL THAT MUSIC.

 

She probably secretly worries that I'm a mass murderer.

 

 

Ha, ha, ha! The story of my life.

Man, that's terrible...but hilarious!  Story of all our lives to a certain degree.  I'm usually pretty understanding and respectful of other's music preferences so a lot of people don't even realize I listen to metal frequently.  I'd consider myself very lucky though that my GF is also into metal.  Both of us like a variety of genres, so there's not typically anything that truly offends the other.  I always think it's funny those times when I come home with my IEMs in, listening to something like Phillip Glass (or just anything non-metal) and I see her relaxing on the couch reading a book...then I pop them off to hear Dying Fetus blasting in the background...and it's totally OK!

 

Glad to see you got your NAS up and working with the Sonos setup!  Converting CDs takes forever...

post #10596 of 17209
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

Man, that's terrible...but hilarious!  Story of all our lives to a certain degree.  I'm usually pretty understanding and respectful of other's music preferences so a lot of people don't even realize I listen to metal frequently.  I'd consider myself very lucky though that my GF is also into metal.  Both of us like a variety of genres, so there's not typically anything that truly offends the other.  I always think it's funny those times when I come home with my IEMs in, listening to something like Phillip Glass (or just anything non-metal) and I see her relaxing on the couch reading a book...then I pop them off to hear Dying Fetus blasting in the background...and it's totally OK!

 

Glad to see you got your NAS up and working with the Sonos setup!  Converting CDs takes forever...

Lucky you! I'm old, but even when I was in my teens and 20's, I never dated anyone that liked metal. Of course back in the 80s music options for heavy music were less diverse.

 

 I think I'm somewhat the same way in not imposing my music on others....never hung w/ a big metal crowd , just have always listened to it....kind of a hobby of sorts. I think of a lot of my metal as being anti social solitary music....for me at least. I've always listened a lot W/ HPS or in my car.

 

 The difference is now I can hit play and have my tunes throughout my house. I will have to be selective. Luckily, I listen to a variety and have regular rock, alternative/indie/singer songwriters and jazz/classical playlists. But, sometimes, I just want to crank it up to 10 and not blow out my ears with HPs.

 

I think the protocol will be....wife's out of the house......time for my extreme metal playlist!!

 

And, yes the converting to lossless task has been way, way more labor intensive than I thought. Deleting, ripping, sending storing....it's a whole thang. I'm getting there. Getting the NAS was key. 10,000 songs or so in lossless on my hardrive was just not an option.

 

 I've got a couple of glitches with the Sonos play lists that has been annoying. But their customer service has been good.

 

I will say, it's nice to hear my music digitally over loudspeakers and not sound like utter crap in terms of sound quality. When I first got the Sonos and NAS, I did s quick  copy and paste of iTunes in the old lowfi mp3 format and dumped it into SONOS and it sounded so utterly bad, I was literally depressed. Going Lossless has been a big step....next will be an integrated amp and DAC for my system.

 

 

SONOS is uber convenient. The interface is super user friendly which is kind of the point since it's not true audiophile quality. But, for house music....while I'm F+*&ing around the house-it's pretty reasonable IMO.

 

It's great if, for example, I'm doing something in the kitchen and I've got a few minutes, grab my cell phone, hit the app and select a playlist. I don't have to mess with an mp3 player or HPs or whatever. I'll probably pick up their sub woofer and get their soundbar to encorporate as part of a home theater set up....it is pretty pricy though. Nice thing is you can just get one component and slowly expand.


Edited by markm1 - 7/21/13 at 9:50am
post #10597 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Lucky you! I'm old, but even when I was in my teens and 20's, I never dated anyone that liked metal. Of course back in the 80s music options for heavy music were less diverse.

 

 I think I'm somewhat the same way in not imposing my music on others....never hung w/ a big metal crowd , just have always listened to it....kind of a hobby of sorts. I think of a lot of my metal as being anti social solitary music....for me at least. I've always listened a lot W/ HPS or in my car.

 

 The difference is now I can hit play and have my tunes throughout my house. I will have to be selective. Luckily, I listen to a variety and have regular rock, alternative/indie/singer songwriters and jazz/classical playlists. But, sometimes, I just want to crank it up to 10 and not blow out my ears with HPs.

 

I think the protocol will be....wife's out of the house......time for my extreme metal playlist!!

 

And, yes the converting to lossless task has been way, way more labor intensive than I thought. Deleting, ripping, sending storing....it's a whole thang. I'm getting there. Getting the NAS was key. 10,000 songs or so in lossless on my hardrive was just not an option.

 

 I've got a couple of glitches with the Sonos play lists that has been annoying. But their customer service has been good.

 

I will say, it's nice to hear my music digitally over loudspeakers and not sound like utter crap in terms of sound duality. And, its uber convenient. The interface is super user friendly which is kind of the point since it's not true audiophile quality.

 

the right software is key for easy ripping...all the way from the actual ripping to the organizing.  don't skimp on the time put in at the rip, it'll make things so much better down the line...

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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

 

the right software is key for easy ripping...all the way from the actual ripping to the organizing.  don't skimp on the time put in at the rip, it'll make things so much better down the line...

Can you give me a software recommendation?

post #10599 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Can you give me a software recommendation?


on a PC I always use dbPowerAmp, on a mac I used XLD. dbPowerAmp might cost money, but it isn't much, and it's so much easier than using EAC on it's own, at least I think so

post #10600 of 17209

dbpoweramp is great, very easy to use.   i use to use EAC and have been for so long that it's not hard (and it's free)

 

for organizing, the best free program by far (IMO) is mediamonkey, nothing else handles large collections quite as easily.  batch tagging, etc. is a cinch

 

but...i now use Jriver for everything from rip to organize, it's not even close to free or that easy to use but once one gets the hang of it, it is very powerful.  the best part about it is a very powerful server component, so i can simulate a sonos but on my own equipment.  it'll do zones and stuff, and i can remote it with my phone in any zone of the house

 

don't forget to get all your tags done the first time!  and cover art!  10,000 files is enough to be a huge pain to go back and try to find all the tags and art, much easier to do it as you rip.  


Edited by ferday - 7/21/13 at 11:45am
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I just use EAC to rip, then I put in the metadata with foobar2k and put it on my hard drive which is sorted by album name. Foobar is also the media player that I use on Windows. 13,771 songs and everything seems to be working just fine.

Honestly though, it's way easier and faster for me to just torrent the lossless files after buying the album, which as far as I know is legal as long as you own the rights.

post #10602 of 17209
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I just use EAC to rip, then I put in the metadata with foobar2k and put it on my hard drive which is sorted by album name. Foobar is also the media player that I use on Windows. 13,771 songs and everything seems to be working just fine.

Honestly though, it's way easier and faster for me to just torrent the lossless files after buying the album, which as far as I know is legal as long as you own the rights.

Thanks Fellas...that's awesome info. Seems like newer computer hard drives have a lot more capacity. I'm using a dinosaur. I've avoided saving my music on my newer computer because I don't want to slow it down too much.

post #10603 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Thanks Fellas...that's awesome info. Seems like newer computer hard drives have a lot more capacity. I'm using a dinosaur. I've avoided saving my music on my newer computer because I don't want to slow it down too much.

there's never enough capacity LOL.  thankfully it's relatively cheap nowadays, i just got a new 4Tb internal for less than an 80Gb internal cost me not all that long ago...

 

how does the sonos work?  i've not looked into it much as i run a server already, but it seems to be getting popular.  do you have to use sonos specific gear?

post #10604 of 17209
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Thanks Fellas...that's awesome info. Seems like newer computer hard drives have a lot more capacity. I'm using a dinosaur. I've avoided saving my music on my newer computer because I don't want to slow it down too much.


You might want to consider getting an external drive. These days you can find 1TB for around $70.

 

Edit: ferday beat me to it.


Edited by macrocheesium - 7/21/13 at 12:31pm
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there's never enough capacity LOL.  thankfully it's relatively cheap nowadays, i just got a new 4Tb internal for less than an 80Gb internal cost me not all that long ago...

 

how does the sonos work?  i've not looked into it much as i run a server already, but it seems to be getting popular.  do you have to use sonos specific gear?

 

In case anyone is going through the same music problem solving I recently went through...here's my LONG take on SONOS.

 

 

Yeah, it's thus far the most popular mass marketed streaming system. It's super convenient....some people feel the sound quality isn't what it should be. And, I'll admit, it's not high end audiophile sound. But, it's decent for what it is. Their speakers are pretty balanced and you can increase the sound with a soundbar or sub woofer which are their newest components and very popular right now.  The components are expensive, but you have the ability to start with one component and slowly build.

 

You typically get a bridge for about $50 that connects to your router. It streams through your wifi.  You have access to any music you have on any computer you own or mobile device, Internet radio and any music service you want to stream, really anything that can be streamed....any music to be found on the internet. I like the interface...you can use your computer and any mobile device. My stereo system is in a spare bedroom/computer room, so I use the computer for the most part with my stereo. Then,  in another room, I'll use my cell phone as a controller/remote or my wife's kindle.

 

From there you can add components:

 

Connect device which allows you stream through a pre existing stereo you already own.

 

Sonos Amp that allows you skip your stereo and stream straight through any speakers you may have.

 

Play 3 or Play 5 (individual speakers)-they have two sizes which can be placed anywhere you want in your house. You can move them around and you just have to wait a minute or so to re buffer. You can play two play 3 or 5 in stereo mode which is kind of nice and then place the speakers wherever you want or move them.....here the kind of big deal...it's wireless. Not true completely,there is a chord that plugs into an outlet for power. But, you can place them and move them wherever you want. They're small.

 

Woofer-this is their newest hottest thing. The play 3 (especially) and 5 (to  a lesser extent) lack in the low end and this resolves this issue. It costs quite a bit, but is balanced and really expands the sound.

 

Sound Bar-can be used on its own, but really designed to connect to a TV-so now you can stream your music through their playbar and use as a home theater for TV/DVDs, etc. You can also incorporate two play 3's that will function as rear speakers if you choose to.

 

My take: hassle free, plug and play system that really shines for multi room wireless music....will not fulfill anyone's audiophile wet dreams, but sounds pretty good all things considered. If you have a decent speaker system and want to expand to other rooms and have access to all your digital music and streaming and play throughout the whole house....that's where it shines. Additionally, the components can play different music at the same time. So, my daughter can play her music on a play 3 in her room and I can headbang to my music in the computer room. I like that versatility.

 

If I had a small one bedroom apt, there's probably better options.

 

I purchased the Connect to connect to my stereo. I was looking for a way to access my CD collection digitally. I didn't want to use a PC and I wanted stereo sound. The connect has a lot of convenience. But, to get my collection to really shine, I'll probably invest in a better external DAC....so that's a downside.

 

After I got my connect for use with my stereo, I've purchases a play 5 and play 3. I'm going to buy an additional play 5, so I can play two play 5's in stereo mode and use the smaller play 3 for a bedroom.

 

so, that will give me two of their speakers to play in stereo mode and I can move them around the house. I'm using them mostly in the largest living area in my house: kitchen/dining room/family room space.

 

But, then from there, I'm going purchase one of their woofers cause it really does sound good and the soundbar for my TV.

 

I'll probably be in about $2,500 at that point...so I'm investing pretty heavily in this system. If you've read this far, you're probably thinking, $2,000 plus!!! I could buy a killer stereo system for that kind of money. And, you would be correct in that assessment which is why I contend if you already have a good speaker system, and want to expand wirelessly into other listening zones then Sonos begins to make sense. For many of you single dudes living in an apt, Sonos probably makes little sense, but for my needs it works.

 

If you don't care about the stereo piece, one could buy a bridge ($50)  for the router and one of their speakers-$300 or $400 depending which size you buy. The  play 3 sound pretty good for a small space like a bedroom or small kitchen. I'd say two play 5s is a good way to go. Two play 5s and a bridge will set you back about $850-but at that point you would have two speakers that could operate essentially as a stereo...think shelf speakers and you could split them up and move around your living space. But, as I said, the system really comes into its own as a multi room wireless streaming and digitized music system. I'm going to take 2 play 5s and add their sub because I'm insane, greedy and want bigger, beefier sound!

 

 

For me, I wanted to be able to hear all of my CDs that I had on an ipod through a stereo I was putting together. And, I liked the idea of digitizing my entire CD collection as well as streaming from music services anywhere in my house I wanted to...that's about it. The system is supposed to handle up to 65,000 tracks...doesn't matter the length....two minute songs or symphonies...doesn't matter. With my 8-10,000 collection (estimate), I've got a lot of growing room.

 

Along the way, I  decided to buy a NAS to store my music-it has the advantage of operating without the use of a computer...doesn't tie a computer up to use.

 

Wow-that's way more than I'm sure anyone wants to know!


Edited by markm1 - 7/21/13 at 2:18pm
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