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post #10216 of 14142
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Originally Posted by keepitsimple View Post

The new Autopsy is out.


It's called The Headless Ritual because the vocalist screams his head completely off. Actually I have never heard anything like it. Amazing.

A song is over at Blabbermouth.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/24/13 at 6:28am
post #10217 of 14142
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Originally Posted by Tom Yum Goong View Post

Hmm Virgin Black is pretty nice. The christian lyrics are a bit bla, but whatever.

Virgin Black is great.  I have their first release Sombre Romantic which is an interesting mix of metal/goth/symphonic strings and operatic vocals. I would call it experimental, but a great pick up for metal fans looking for something out of the box.  A second album Elegant and Dying is supposed to be quite good-but I haven't heard it. Somre Romantic lacks the production values for what follows (see below).

 

Things got really interesting in 2007/2008 when they decided to record a trilogy. I think they only completed the first two. The front man did some serious opera vocal training and they hired a full orchestra. The idea was three recordings going from completely classical/opera to full on metal. They completed the middle album which is supposed to be an even mix of classical and metal and the final chapter which is more metal. They haven't done (at least I haven't found it) the completely classical piece. And, I kind of think, why? Right-if you want a classical release-just go out and buy one. I mean, just throw on a Hans Zimmer soundtrack!

 

Per your Q about metal with classical-Requiem Mezzo Forte is OUTSTANDING. It truly is a metal opera. I would call it a minor masterpiece of metal and classical and opera. I just checked out Allmusic and their reviewer writes:

 

After four years of relative silence following a sophomore album menacingly named Elegant and Dying, many had assumed that Adelaide, Australia's Virgin Black had probably breathed their last; but the orchestral gothic metal project was in fact very much alive, and simply grappling with the challenge of composing a two-and-a-half-hour, three-part song cycle entitled Requiem.Nevertheless, Virgin Black fans will quickly discover that this first, 52-minute mid-section of what's surely to become the band's magnum opus, already feels like the fulfillment of their thus far nebulous musical destiny. In it, their "gothic metal with strings" template is effectively transformed into an altogether grander full-blown symphony with gothic metal elements, marked by predominantly orchestral movements such as the extravagant "Requiem, Kyrie," the sublime melancholy of "Midnight's Hymn," and the suitably suicidal epic "...And I Am Suffering.

 

My edits:

 

#1: I don't like the word "goth"  because it's loaded w/ negative connotations-moody, self indulgent teenagers walking malls with black eye liner,and piercings, etc. looking for attention. To my ears, it's more symphonic doomish. It took me  a few listens as the symphonic elements are pretty dominant. Most of the first song is orchestral which lead me to a WTF reaction initially. I remember thinking-how is this metal? But, the orchestration builds to these heavy crushing doom parts and then back to the symphony.  It has become one of my faves. For a symphonic metal release-this thing is amazing.

 

#2: As far as the Christian lyrics-I'm usually turned off. These are more thematic...not "give your life to Jesus" or anything. The lyrics have a medieval flavor-the suffering, sorrow, despair and pain of life, looking for answers to existential questions. At least-that's my take.  I have read that the band has a complicated relationship w/ Christianity. I think they used themes rather than dogma. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they grapple w/ the contradictions of organized religion as so many of us do/have......don't let that deter you-this comment offered from someone who is not at all affiliated with any religious organization-it's all mythology to me....but anyway....

 

Their follow up: Requiem foritissimo, is also really cool, but quite different. Gone for the most part are the operatic vocals. This is an old school doom/death album with a symphony backing up the band and it totally works, but as stated-more metal and less classical. The classical/orchestral and even group operatic elements come in as flourishes or highlights to basically a heavy doom death release. the guitar parts very thick and heavy the way I like my doom. The guitarist I believe is a woman w/  male vocalist a la Boris. Fortissimo is a marked contrast to Messo Forte and the two play nicely back to back-flow from classical/metal-mostly metal w/ death vocals which I  believe is the idea.

 

Final edit: I  like some classical, but do not like opera at all. I would never go out and purchase an operatic piece of music. If  I want classical music, it tends to be background instrumental. Yet, it works for me here. In addition to training w/ a vocal coach and hiring an orchestra, the band also hired professional opera singers-gorgeous female vocals in particular that are not a turn off to me-a non opera fan. Just beautiful music.

 

If you have bothered to read my post and are not familiar with Virgin Black, you probably get the idea that this is not traditional metal. Don't think Nightwish, even Therion (BTW, Therion's Lemuria A and B would be another great pick for fusing classical and metal-but more traditional). These two albums have good production, but are definitely an "off the beaten track" choice.

 

I think they are amazing-but I'm always looking for something different. I categorize them w/ other unusual choices like Sigh, Stolen Babies, Unexpect-all very different but all experimental in their own way.

 

Cheers.


Edited by markm1 - 6/24/13 at 10:39am
post #10218 of 14142
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Originally Posted by vaed View Post

You may want to take a look at Mirrorthrone. Very heavily classically influenced black metal, and one of my all-time favorites.



Vocals remind me if RIITIIR...I like it.
post #10219 of 14142
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Virgin Black is great.  I have their first release Sombre Romantic which is an interesting mix of metal/goth/symphonic strings and operatic vocals. I would call it experimental, but a great pick up for metal fans looking for something out of the box.  A second album Elegant and Dying is supposed to be quite good-but I haven't heard it. Somre Romantic lacks the production values for what follows (see below).

 

 

 

 

virgin black is great, i have their discography.  

 

their lyrical content are far more sorrow based than any happy moralistic approach...in some ways they are far darker than a lot of the hipster BM crap out nowadays

 

and to vaed, good rec on mirrorthrone, i'd never heard them but i like that a lot, will pick some up for sure!

post #10220 of 14142
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post


It's called The Headless Ritual because the vocalist screams his head completely off. Actually I have never heard anything like it. Amazing.

A song is over at Blabbermouth.

Lol-I loved macabre eternal

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post #10222 of 14142
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Originally Posted by keepitsimple View Post

Interesting!
But still....the only Thrash bands I really like, are Vektor


And Revocation


I like my music prog-ish :3

post #10223 of 14142

Vektor are very good.You might like cynic-its a little weird but a classic


Edited by keepitsimple - 6/24/13 at 12:36pm
post #10224 of 14142
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Vektor are very good.You might like cynic-its a little weird but a classic

I love Cynic :D
I wouldn't call them weird, though. Hmm maybe very....futuristic? Yeah something like that.

post #10225 of 14142

^the robot vocals kill it for some

I take it you like atheist aswell

post #10226 of 14142
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Originally Posted by keepitsimple View Post

^the robot vocals kill it for some

I take it you like atheist aswell

Don't mock Cynic lovers, old school death metaller evil_smiley.gif (Lover of Entombed and Lurker of Chalice maybe).. HE HE HE

 

EDIT: Sounded good in my head...


Edited by wrathzombie - 6/24/13 at 1:22pm
post #10227 of 14142

A strange and forgotten gem

post #10228 of 14142
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Originally Posted by wrathzombie View Post

Don't mock Cynic lovers, old school death metaller evil_smiley.gif (Entombed Lover).. HE HE HE

 

EDIT: Sounded good in my head...

Early entombed lover-cant gel with their later stuffwink_face.gif

post #10229 of 14142
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Originally Posted by keepitsimple View Post

^the robot vocals kill it for some

I take it you like atheist aswell

Indeed!
But I like Cynic more. Real "Jazz Metal" bands are far to rare these days :(

post #10230 of 14142
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Indeed!

But I like Cynic more. Real "Jazz Metal" bands are far to rare these days frown.gif

My favourite jazz metal is candiria, their old stuff is amazing
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