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post #16 of 206
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Originally Posted by big-ban View Post
The HD650 is much more mids-centric with overall much less bass, especially deep bass. I also have a measurement of the HD650 in my gallery.
The PRO 900 sounds much like what I remember from the old DT770 Pro, albeit a bit more extreme. The newer DT770 Consumer Edition is supposed to be more neutral.
What I've read is the DT770 consumer edition is bright - bright phones are very much not what I'm in to. If someone could chime in with a direct (listening) comparison between the pro 900 (or dt770 consumer) and a phone I've heard (dt770 pro 80, hd650, k701, k601, dt250, k271, etc) that would help a lot.

FR graphs don't tell the whole story, but the differences between the pro 900 and HD650 in big-ban's graphs is pretty staggering.
post #17 of 206
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Comments like that aren't funny nor helpfull. As far as I can remember your post before this one you were listing the people who 'agreed' with your opinion, not me.
Yeah, nothing funny about it, why would you think so? Look, I have no intention of mudslinging, but your attitude isn't helping it either.
I'm not exactly making a list, I was just pointing out that I'm not alone with my opinion and I'm not the only one saying the PRO 900 has extreme bass. AND I'm obviously not reading enough threads here at head-fi to notice that actually every owner except me (your words) found their PRO 900 totally "settled" (your word) after burn-in. I don't have any statistics on its bass performance before/after burn in and I don't intend to make any.

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I never did a measurement, I listen to music.
Believe it or not, I do, too. But you're obviously not trying to understand my point. It's all good to talk all day about auditory impressions, but in the end we're all subjective beings and not always getting terminology straight (myself included). What's so wrong about measurements as an approach to making things more objective? No one's asking you to take measurements yourself, I'm merely asking you to explain why you think it's useless to consider measurements as a means of comparison and discussion at all.

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I did direct comparisons to a stax SR-XMKIII which is known for bass-shyness, I did compensate it with a warmer sounding NAD amp, but still it isn't a bass monster by any means, the pro 900 has just slightly louder (and deeper) bass than the SR-X, no brain burn-in here, direct comparison.
I don't know the mentioned Stax so I can't comment on that. I just know that out of all the hifi-headphones I've heard, the PRO 900 is by far the headphone with the most extreme bass output.
Something can't be right here. Maybe you do have a different version of the PRO 900, but I still don't believe this all changed with burn-in.

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Originally Posted by ph0rk
FR graphs don't tell the whole story, but the differences between the pro 900 and HD650 in big-ban's graphs is pretty staggering.
Yeah, so let me tell you the rest of the story: they sound pretty different
post #18 of 206
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Yeah, so let me tell you the rest of the story: they sound pretty different
Well, I'm sure they do - when I said I'd like closed phones that can hang with the HD650's, I didn't mean they had to sound the same, and my last post might have given that impression.

Rather, I'd like them to have a similar level of refinement (with allowances for the engineering difficulties posed by closed headphones, etc). Some boost in the bass regions is probably inevitable to get good deep bass performance, but I found the DT770-pro 80 approach to this problem unacceptable.

I'd be thrilled if i could find something with the HD650's bass hump shifted down an octave to an octave and a half.
post #19 of 206
Ok I'm done. All I was trying to do is give some retrospect to the Ultra 900's, if you want other people's opinions about them, just do a search on this (and the ultrasone part of this website) forum. You will find that I'm not the only one really enjoying this headphone, and not the only one who's bass is fully settled and not overemphesized. It's really too bad big-ban, not only have you taken my fun away of writing (and reading) in this thread, but you end up just the way you started responding on this thread, with your own experience/opinion and nothing more.
post #20 of 206
@ph0rk: I think we're drifting OT, but in my experience, the W11JPN has many similarities with the HD650. It's not as natural sounding (upper mids spike) but the overall tonality is somewhat similar. Technically, the two are somewhat comparable with maybe a slight edge for the HD650.
Since you're not so much into the D2000/D5000 (which would be the obvious choice for a closed version of the HD650), maybe you'd like the W2002. My modded version has very good forward mids and amazing deep bass that doesn't sound as 'wooly' as the HD650's bass. Technically, I'd rate the W2002 a notch higher than the HD650.

@vvanrij: *sigh*... relax! I wasn't trying to take away your or anyone else's fun and enjoyment of the PRO 900. The only problem is that I'm having a hard time believing in such drastic effects of burn-in, I think there's something else. Let's leave it at that for the time being, shall we? I'll report back in a few weeks and we'll see if the developments of burn-in are measurable (as they should be if they're as drastic as you claim). And now: peace!
post #21 of 206
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@ph0rk: I think we're drifting OT, but in my experience, the W11JPN has many similarities with the HD650. It's not as natural sounding (upper mids spike) but the overall tonality is somewhat similar. Technically, the two are somewhat comparable with maybe a slight edge for the HD650.
Since you're not so much into the D2000/D5000 (which would be the obvious choice for a closed version of the HD650), maybe you'd like the W2002. My modded version has very good forward mids and amazing deep bass that doesn't sound as 'wooly' as the HD650's bass. Technically, I'd rate the W2002 a notch higher than the HD650.


Well, I'm sure the OP won't mind if we stray OT just a bit

I'm not really that excited about wooden phones in general and out of production ATs in particular - my standard operating procedure is to buy from an American retailer with a return policy so I can dump them easily if I dislike them. Additionally, I prefer plastic or possibly metal cups for durability reasons. I'm not unnecessarily rough with my headphones but the occasional bump can happen.

So, if my requirements were: plastic/metal cups, sturdy, closed, velour (or possibly real leather), and deep bass without boosted midbass, Ultrasones seemed worth looking at. They don't have to be neutral, of course, but I'd rather not feel like I have to boost the mids. I tend to listen around 65-70 dBC, slow tracking.

Based on some of the impressions, I thought the pro 900 might have fit the bill, if not I can't think of anything else that would.
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post #23 of 206
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I've read them, and was still felt uncertain about how they sounded. When people who like the k701 and sr325 for example say they are "full" of detail, I worry!

Also, the most common cans for them to be compared with were the pro 750 and the ed9, which does me zero good - I have no idea what those sound like either!
post #24 of 206
Good point, there is very little information about them on these forums I agree, but I don't want to spoil their reputation either. I love them, alot, but if one person goes to every pro900 thread to give his opinion, you will soon look like an annoying fanboy, which is something I very much try to avoid.
post #25 of 206
I just bought a ALO-780 so when it arrives I'm gonna test it agains the Pro-900.
post #26 of 206
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I just bought a ALO-780 so when it arrives I'm gonna test it agains the Pro-900.

arent the alo-780's the ones that are supposed to sound almost like the edition 9?
youll have to tell us how they compare to them if they are.
post #27 of 206
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Hmm. I'm looking for a roughly equivalent level closed can to the HD650, and I'm wary of Denon build quality - could a pro 900 hang with an HD650? (Probably driven by a GS-1). I don't expect it to sound the same, but I'd prefer it not to sound like a DT770
It's good to start with the ED9, and go down the line to the HFI-550/580.
Two different cans that have different acoustic structures, three different drivers and a lot of cross combinations between them. Each model has it's own special sound, and each model has a lot to offer to the listener. If you are a little bit of a basshead, Ultrasone are made for you. I would not recommend them for studio use, but I would definitely recommend them for listening to music.

post #28 of 206
Well I have to agree not to use them for studio use (though Peter Pinna strongly disagree's with that, I expect him any minute here ), but thats from my own (home-studio) use experience.
post #29 of 206
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Well I have to agree not to use them for studio use (though Peter Pinna strongly disagree's with that, I expect him any minute here ), but thats from my own (home-studio) use experience.
Well, it's fine to use them in the studio if you want, but there are so many parameters that need to be taken into consideration, that it just takes the focus off of what you really need to be doing in the studio. But, again, they're a great experience!

Regarding Mr. Pinna: I'm running away now...before he posts his next tirade.
post #30 of 206
I am not posting to express a "tirade". I'm not sure I know how to
"tirade". My belief in the Pro 750 as a professional studio / production headphone is extremely well documented in these forums and I think it isn't necessary for me to repeat myself here in this thread. (BTW, "ask" Ultrasone and you will find that the Pro 750 was designed originally and mainly for studio / production purposes.)
No, I am posting only for one purpose. To give the original meaning of "brain burn-in". Actually, this was a phrase that was coined originally, AFAIK, by Covenant when he was referring to the idea of the brain becoming accustomed to the S-Logic effect in that some people are able to initially here it and some can't. And, after a period of listening some of those people who initially could not hear the S-Logic effect are eventually able to hear it. He referred to that idea / process as "brain burn-in". AFAIK, his original "definition" had nothing to do with the sound of various frequencies.
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