Originally Posted by JxK
Wow. I have to admit, I really didn't think my lowly post would garner such attention. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside .
OK, where to start? Perhaps, in the name of good sportsmanship and all, I'll begin with where I was wrong. I don't have the experience with macs that dedicated users have, so I'll concede the points about Macs not being able to do everything windows machines can for regular users. More on this later.
Now, onto the good stuff.
If macs are no worse than PCs (and I don't feel they are any better) what substantive advantage does the regular user have? Internet is internet, e-mail stays the same, and with a larger market share the supposed virus immunity isn't going to last once hackers start focusing more on macs.As far as I see it, you're paying a 50% markup for a pretty case and good looking UI. Eyecandy. Of course, not being a regular user and all, I may be missing something, and I'll leave that open.
For the regular user, they get a machine that doesn't screw up randomly and require either a lot of effort from a professional and/or a complete re-install to fix. Even if you DO end up re-installing Mac OS X for some reason (because you installed something that, due to not being updated, is causing issues and you can't (be bothered to) track it down, your entire set-up will still be there, without requiring a re-install of all software.
But now let's shift gears and focus on the business side of things. I originally said macs are very limited in what a user can do, and from my experience on the business side of things, that is in fact the case.
When bringing a mac into the workplace, first one must be able to connect and integrate his/her mac onto the usual Active Directory/Exchange based network. Let me tell you, it's not a pretty picture. In fact, it's downright ugly. IT is helpless, and apple support are worse. The few macs we have on our network (a very few) are basically islands onto themselves. Worse than useless for the most part. In fact, starting in a few months, the organization has moved to completely ban macs in the workplace for this very reason alone.
The reason it's so much trouble is, IT support are mostly guys who have done an MCSE to get a job. They don't have REAL computer knowledge, just a bunch of textbook stuff. They would rather die than actually learn anything, especially anything outside of Windows. That being said, MS have long dominated the business market and are far better at it than Apple, but the gross mis-management at MS regarding OS development will be their undoing.
Let's move onto one other issue I mentioned earlier as well: compatibility. Maybe for regular users it isn't so bad (although mac software is alot more expensive than windows software).
But once you get into specialty programs things get a bit worse. Programs like Autocad and SOAPware, for instance, aren't natively supported. Now, there is boot camp or VMware out there which are supposed to work and alleviate this problem. Maybe it works for some. It didn't work at my workplace (some 3500 networked computers). Another reason why the organization is just banning macs - it was hell for IT and was just plain bad for productivity. (note: calling 1800-myapple was also a waste).
See above. There's no Final Cut Pro for Windows, by the way, so it goes both ways. Autocad, nor FCP for that matter, are the entire business software market.
This brings me to my last point: price. I don't see a practical advantage for regular users, but if they just like the eyecandy and the way they intereact with OS X, that's fine. But for a business? Hell no! From start to finish macs at the workplace were a total nightmare. There is no way to possibly justify paying so much for something that does so little. And is so hard to integrate. And that IT doesn't support. And that apple's own support can't fix.
Apple's system is based on designs that far pre-date Windows. It's not just eye candy, though you may think so. That you have an IT department that is ignorant reflects on them, not their desire to ban Macs.
About the "eye candy" as you put it: It was introduced to demonstrate the technology inbuilt into Mac OS X. Compare this to Vista/Win7 which incorporated it purely for the sake of eye candy, and poorly at that. Apple provide this technology for developers to leverage so that they can make great software.
Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason why macs haven't made the kind of headway into the business sector that PCs have (although they must work for some since it is growing a bit).
Apple are hopeless at selling solutions to large businesses.