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post #16 of 683
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Makes sense to me. Who do you think can give Rashad Evans a run for his money?
Rampage is a tough match for anyone even though he still hasn't shown growth in Muay Thai defense. He still the strongest guy at 205 with a granite chin and solid boxing skills. Funny thing is a lot of people were commenting on the fact that Rampage looked soft yesterday but as we saw it doesn't matter when you still have absurd strength and the ability to do one hitter quitters. Evans' is going to have to work a takedown somehow and then it's his game. Griffin is proven to be terrible on the ground and look at what he did to Rampage. Likewise Evans looked like Wanderlei in his PRIDE days yesterday being able to posture up to land those brutal shots.

Machida is a definite contender if Dana White would put him in the spotlight. It's possible now since Rampage stated that he wants to avenge his loss to Griffin. He's got the footwork, zen-like patience and distance and timing in his strikes to frustrate anybody but I'm not too sure about his ground game.

As for the PRIDE argument, it's not the fault of the fighters if they fought overmatched opponents. Then again PRIDE had to be a horrible organization to fight for since they're notoriously bad in finding opponents, scheduling, ridiculous squash matches and crappy pay. IIRC there's been a few occasions that a few fighters protested against PRIDE (namely Crocop) over this and they gave in afterwards.
post #17 of 683
Rampage vs Evans!
post #18 of 683
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Originally Posted by Fido2 View Post
Makes sense to me. Who do you think can give Rashad Evans a run for his money?
Rampage Jackson
Thiago Silva
Lyoto Machida
Dan Henderson
Rich Franklin
Anderson Silva (could move up in class again, but he trains with Machida)

Franklin vs Henderson next month UFC 93
Machida vs Thiago Silva UFC 94

EAE
Interesting look behind the numbers of PRIDE superstars..........
post #19 of 683
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Thiago Silva
I never understood his hype; he's an unknown quantity besides GnP victories over sub-par opponents.

There's no reason why Machida should be able to smash him.
post #20 of 683
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Originally Posted by Fido2 View Post
Makes sense to me. Who do you think can give Rashad Evans a run for his money?

Anyone realistically. He isn't bulldozing anyone, but he manages to find a way to win.

Destrado, of course it's not the fault of the fighters, but that's the reality of what was happening in Pride. Records were padded tremendously, and the result was a skewed opinion of the fighters themselves. Look at how most people feel Wanderlei is not the same fighter now as he was in Pride. He looks the same to me, only the opponents are consistently tougher than they were in Pride (at least until the end of his Pride run). When you throw wild punches like he does, a good opponent will make you pay, and that is what is occurring. His over Pride competition simply wasn't good enough.

DarkAngel, the numbers are quite interesting, aren't they? I understand the large pool of Japanese fighters in Pride (being a japanese organization...), but the simple reality is they weren't competitive with anyone other than themselves, with few exceptions.
post #21 of 683
I like Machida. He is something special I think. I hope he continues to do well. I think he could possibly be a future champ for sure. We'll see in a couple more fights.
I really don't think Rampage can beat Evans.
Yeah Anderson Silva could beat Evans I feel sure. But will he attempt it?
post #22 of 683
Sherdog wrote about UFC 91 proving that jiu jitsu in MMA is not dead. But after watching UFC 92 I don't know what to believe. It was a sad day for a jiu jitsu practitioner. Sure, Nogueira most likely wanted to wear down Mir for two rounds before going for the kill, and except for him, there were no high level bjj guys... but it didn't look good.
post #23 of 683
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Sherdog wrote about UFC 91 proving that jiu jitsu in MMA is not dead. But after watching UFC 92 I don't know what to believe. It was a sad day for a jiu jitsu practitioner. Sure, Nogueira most likely wanted to wear down Mir for two rounds before going for the kill, and except for him, there were no high level bjj guys... but it didn't look good.
JJ will always have a place, but it can largely be nullified by decent takedown defense and good striking. You can work submissions all day and be popped once in the face and KO'd. Nothing better than a good punch, and most MMA fighters still are severely lacking in standup defensive skills.
post #24 of 683
True dat cuz!
post #25 of 683
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Anyone realistically. He isn't bulldozing anyone, but he manages to find a way to win.
If you look at Rashad Evans wins up until 9/2008 he really didn't beat any top level fighter.........but then two big wins over Chuck Liddell then Forest Griffin.

Can't discount those, Rashad is for real even though I am not a big fan of his.
post #26 of 683
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If you look at Rashad Evans wins up until 9/2008 he really didn't beat any top level fighter.........but then two big wins over Chuck Liddell then Forest Griffin.

Can't discount those, Rashad is for real even though I am not a big fan of his.

I think you took my statement wrong. Rashad is one of the more resourceful fighters I've seen recently, I'm very impressed by him. His fights are typically close though, which is why any of the contenders at 205 have a shot with him.

Anyway, as we have seen, there is always a carousel of champions. Nobody really dominates because the competition is fairly stiff and with so many ways to win/lose, it probably won't be long until a fighter is beaten. Rashad won't be the exception. Could be the next guy he faces, could be the second. He in turn can potentially beat the rest. Doesn't make for long title reigns, but long reigns typically mean subpar opponents, so it's a good thing. Just look at the long reigns of champions in boxing for reference.
post #27 of 683
I hate to say it but I am looking forward to seeing Rashad get a beatdown. I don't know why...he needs a mark in the "L" column like the rest of us...heehehe
post #28 of 683
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Sherdog wrote about UFC 91 proving that jiu jitsu in MMA is not dead. But after watching UFC 92 I don't know what to believe. It was a sad day for a jiu jitsu practitioner. Sure, Nogueira most likely wanted to wear down Mir for two rounds before going for the kill, and except for him, there were no high level bjj guys... but it didn't look good.
MMA has always been an evolutionary sport but likewise I haven't seen anything monumental growth in any spectrum of the sport thus far besides fighters like Machida, Le and Parisyan since those two have mixed it up with their base styles. You have many fighters now trying their best to be well rounded like Florian, Sherk, and Griffin even though the latter two have great backgrounds already in wrestling.

Then again this year has had a wealth of BJJ monsters transitioning to MMA but it'll be a while before they're viable top contenders.

Damian Maia has rolled off four impressive submissions but his clinch, striking, and cardio is very questionable. Of course if he takes you to the ground it's his world and even a very game BJJ-based fighter in MacDonald got submitted.

Rousimar Palhares is another promising aspect that's risen to prominence. He lost against Decision Dan but looked very good being able to take heavy shots to the chin and being a constant threat on the ground with his affinity of leglocks. His cardio looked good but has to improve in his clinch game before he becomes a 185 pound hybrid of Arona and Barnett. Setting up takedowns besides loopy kicks looked pretty questionable too.

Dustin Hazelett is also becoming a monster himself earning a BJJ black belt in 6 years from Jorge Gurgel, a star in the BJJ community himself. He looked very game against Koscheck and his last two submissions is the stuff that highlight reels are made of.

Then you got really green guys like Jacare, Garcia, Roger Gracie, Xande Ribiero and Galvao joining the mix but it'll be at least two or three years before any of them reach promience.
post #29 of 683
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Anybody watching the Dynamite!! 2008 card tomorrow? ~20 fights in one night with top level K-1 and MMA fighters on the card.

Hoping to see Manhoef and Alvarez win tomorrow.
post #30 of 683
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Nifty card tomorrow. My picks are:

Henderson
Shogun
Toquinho
Kang
Davis
Kampmann
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