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post #1 of 19
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Hey Guys,
I've been looking around for awhile let me say that I am running piano samples Sythology IVory and Pianoteq on my Keyboard. I've been looking around at headphones and I see lots of headphones that go down to 5Hz which is plenty for the lowest piano notes 28Hz around there i believe. The denon 5000 I believe has 5Hz and Stax 007a has 6Hz and of course these are different price ranges but i am looking for great sound. I do listen to jazz and classical mainly so i don't know what headphones are best for me. I've looked at Denon 5000, HD-650/600/k1000's. I'm looking for somethign that is really comfortable. So comfortable that maybe you forget that your wearing them kind of comfy? I've read alot of reviews about the denon 5000's being so comforatable so i was considering it. I don't know how the stax 0007a's are via comfyness. I wondering if the Stax is totally out of the others league even with the others paired with great amp?
post #2 of 19
Denon are comfy for sure.
K1000 and Stax require special(different from Denon/Senn) amping.
post #3 of 19
I find Sennheiser does classical music like no other.
Their HD600 / HD650 are my favorite dynamic headphones for classical. I recently picked up an HE60 and that has taken my classical music to a whole new level. Simply amazing.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
WoW. are the he60's that much better than the HD's Tower? I would be willing to go that router(electro).
post #5 of 19
Just go Stax!

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/ini...m-717-a-68394/

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I then listened to some Lee Ritenour and CSN, primarily to hear how the Omega's reproduced acoustic guitar. I recall when I owned the SRM-003 portable Stax, listening to Simon and Garfunkle, I was so impressed by the sound of acoustic guitar that it almost made me keep them....almost. If you like the sound of acoustic guitar and/or piano, I have not heard any dynamic that can deliver the tonal quality of a hammer or a pick striking a string like the Omegas can. Those two acoustic instruments sound so very natural through the Omegas. That is the best compliment that I can give the midrange reproduction of the Stax.

I have also read some impressions regarding the bottom end extension of the electrostats. While I don't think these would be ideal for DJing , there is bass and then some. There is a portion of the soundtrack to "The Patriot" where cannons are firing off in the background. The Stax handles them without even breakng a sweat. During track #3, "The Battle" of The Soundtrack to the Motion Picture Gladiator there is a part where someone goes nuts with tympani, the Stax reacts to the different low end pitches nicely. If someone tells you that these can't go deep, tell them to bite you.

Where I was the most surprised was the treble extension. My experience as a Stax owner was limited to the Stax portable. I sold them because the top end roll off was just too apparent and too problematic for what I like to hear. While the Omegas do not give you that Grado-like treble, cymbals do sound "real" and triangles have just the right "ring" to them.

These are just impressions based on a week of listening. My usual disclaimers apply:

* Take my opinions with whatever grain of salt you would like.
* I don't write well, keep that in mind when reading this.
* I have thin skin and don't take criticism well.
* Have a nice day


Source: Meridian 507, Sony SCD-555ES
Cables: Cardas Neutral Reference, Cardas Golden Cross
CDs:

* Manhattan Transfer: The Best of
* Lee Ritenour: Collection, Live in LA
* Crosby, Stills, and Nash: CSN
* Fleetwood Mac: Rumors
* Soundtracks: Gladiator, The Patriot
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by trungdvan View Post
WoW. are the he60's that much better than the HD's Tower? I would be willing to go that router(electro).
I'm running the HE60 out of the stock HEV70 amp, and it's much more than a small incremental change, provided you have a good source.

Soundstage is much more focused and expansive (both in depth and vertically). The HE60 add a whole new layer of micro-detail that I have never heard with any of my previous headphones. Instrumental music sounds so natural.

I'm seriously enjoying them to say the least.

If you can afford the 007 though, I would compare the 007 (either version 1 or 2) to the HE60 and see which you prefer. The 007 was out of my price range sadly. It was either the stax 0404 combo or the HE60/HEV70. I opted for the HE60.

Either way though, I would seriously consider an electrostatic headphone for classical music.
post #7 of 19
First, ignore headphone specs, as it doesn't tell you anything about how a headphone reproduces frequencies and, not to mention, specs outside the threshold of hearing mean even less.

I find my considerably modified Denons (see sig) to be the most natural sounding headphones I have. They are also easy to drive, but naturally perform best out of a good headphone amp. Compared to them, my HD600s, which are a little more relaxed and airy, really DO need serious amplification to get the most out of. Electrostats -- yes, they are a whole mile above and by far are best for jazz and classical. I spent less on my simple vintage Stax set than I did on dynamic headphones and find them more satisfying in that regard.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Towert7 View Post
Soundstage is much more focused and expansive (both in depth and vertically). The HE60 add a whole new layer of micro-detail that I have never heard with any of my previous headphones. Instrumental music sounds so natural.

I'm seriously enjoying them to say the least.

If you can afford the 007 though, I would compare the 007 (either version 1 or 2) to the HE60 and see which you prefer. The 007 was out of my price range sadly. It was either the stax 0404 combo or the HE60/HEV70. I opted for the HE60.
One would have to be barking mad to choose a 4040 combo over the HE60/HEV70. There no contest which one is better Sure, I'm biased (even though I have owned both)

Towert7 has hit the nail on the head with the description of the HE60's sound. It's very focussed and intense. The room ambience cues are faithfully reproduced.

The SR-007 vs HE60 is really down to personal taste. Out of the SRM-717, I would say it's a tie. I wouldn't be able to pick one over the other. The SR-007 offers a level of effortless musicality and strong bass response which the HE60 can't match. On the other hand, the HE60 has such an insanely detailed, focussed and clean sound throughout its entire frequency response which the SR-007 just can't match when it comes to music with complex textures (eg Shostakovich symphonies, Stravinsky orchestral works, etc). Different strokes for different folks. It would not be insane to consider owning both as they complement each other rather well.
post #9 of 19
In my experience the Ultrasone PRO750 /2500 are the best for piano.
Perfect tonality and dynamics over the full range.
post #10 of 19
Yeah, just pick up one of the SR-007 models.
Or a K1000 if you want to stay with dynamic headphones...
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
I think as awesome as Stax is, the Stax omega alone won't be able to reproduce piano faithfully. It would need to start with a great source. The review uses a Meridian CDP that's probably 50% of the reason to why the sound is so good.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by ting.mike View Post
I think as awesome as Stax is, the Stax omega alone won't be able to reproduce piano faithfully. It would need to start with a great source. The review uses a Meridian CDP that's probably 50% of the reason to why the sound is so good.
Can't that be said about all headphones?
I say few headphones can reproduce piano frequencies faithfully when fed by an inferior source (and amp)...
post #13 of 19
grado hp2 is the only fone that i think does piano justice, but they are extremely uncomfortable. if comfort is a must, go after akg k1000.
post #14 of 19
My vote is for the K-1000s. Piano sounds so real. It's perhaps the open ears and the upfront soundstage and imaging. I do really believe that the psychoacoustic aspects of headphone listening is as important, if not more so, than simply basing a choice on technical specifications.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by trungdvan View Post
Hey Guys,
I've been looking around for awhile let me say that I am running piano samples Sythology IVory and Pianoteq on my Keyboard. I've been looking around at headphones and I see lots of headphones that go down to 5Hz which is plenty for the lowest piano notes 28Hz around there i believe. The denon 5000 I believe has 5Hz and Stax 007a has 6Hz and of course these are different price ranges but i am looking for great sound. I do listen to jazz and classical mainly so i don't know what headphones are best for me. I've looked at Denon 5000, HD-650/600/k1000's. I'm looking for somethign that is really comfortable. So comfortable that maybe you forget that your wearing them kind of comfy? I've read alot of reviews about the denon 5000's being so comforatable so i was considering it. I don't know how the stax 0007a's are via comfyness. I wondering if the Stax is totally out of the others league even with the others paired with great amp?
You think you can hear 5-6 Hz?????

You don't need, nor are you going to get such performance from 99.99999% of headphones or speakers. (Actually I think it's properly zero but you never know about such things.)

But it doesn't matter because audiometry shows no hearing below 20 Hz and there is not much sound to be heard even there. Maybe you can feel some such lower frequencies in your body but the energy level is going to have to be pretty high and headphones are not going to stimulate anything outside of the ears.

Also are you really trying to reproduce piano sounds? What you are describing seems to be a synthesized set-up and this is not going to sound like "real" pianos, all of which sound different from each other and have tuning and weather effects. I know because I pay for the piano tuning for our local concert society, something we do before each piano concert.

It is as hard to talk about piano sound as it is about the sound of the human voice. When I listen to piano on my various stats, usually Lambdas, Sigmas and 007, I hear usually different sounds from each recording let alone each set of phones, just as I do for different human voices. That probably means that the stats are capable of resolving the different overtones in each recording which are critical to real piano sound.

Since bass is a big issue with you get either the Lambda pros models (eg. Pro, 202, 303,404, Nova etc) or 007's just because they have the most bass.

Also bear in mind that amplifier quality has a big impact on sound and many good phones just don't sing until a certain level of amp quality is reached. If you want the best be prepared to pay for it.
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