Originally Posted by jinx20001
i think your confusing feeling with hearing a little tho, because bass is very much heard but sub bass is felt. the problem the er4's have imo is the fact they were clearly built with the premise in mind that bass cant be produced with earphones so we wont bother. are they trying to say live music is bassless? because when ive heard live music the bass like you say is very powerful and tight, but i think its also very impactful, when a kick drum goes you tend to feel the hits, etymotic dont seem to ''try'' and produce this power because at the time they were made its likely they knew they couldnt do it.
nowadays tho technology has moved on and manufacturers are actually able to produce a powerful low end, this is what confuses me about etymotic tho...we now have the technology to recreate bass pretty well and still they have not utilized this technology to produce a more realistic earphone. i put this down to neglagence (spelling?) myself tho, i think they are so successful with the ety er4's that they worry about losing the fanbase if they create a new set of multi driver earphones with bass claiming its more realistic...can you imagine all those er4 fans faces if they saw that happen, they would be heartbroken about the er4's not being top of ety's pile.
I think they meant that when listening to music at a live performance, you do not feel the bass inside the ears. The music does have bass, we feel it in our body, our head,... but not in our ear canal. When you hear a kick drum, do you actually feel the bass in your ear canal?
The er4's are able to recreate bass, it's just very realistic, tight with a realistic impact, which is not much (although this is based on how much bass ppl want), but in real life (=no recording), it's the same, I guess.
When listening to someone playing kettle drums, I think that the impact in your ear canal is less when standing there, than listening to a recording of it with bass-heavy cans. But when standing there, you feel the impact in your body. When listening to headphones, you don't.
This is what i meant with more bass = compensating for impact.
Realistic bass = not powerful bass. Etymotic tries to make a realistic, accurate IEM, which is the ER4S. That's why they probably didn't make one with more bass (more bass = not realistic = not accurate). Also, the ER4S are made for studio monitoring. They are not made for fun listening. They have created a IEM with more bass, which is the ER4P. Compared to other IEM, these do not have enough bass, are analytical. But other IEM do not try to make a realistic IEM. They all have their own special sound signature to enjoy
music. So it's not about having the technology, it's about what kind of sound they want to create.
I don't think the er4-fanbase would be disappointed when a new IEM would be announced, I think they would get the new IEM instead
There's a reason why these ER4 still exist, why Etymotic still didn't made a 'better' version for 17 years, why they still have a fanbase and why someone has made a balanced ER4P. It's because they are already one of the top-IEMs (and other various reasons).