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post #31 of 110
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
always wait to buy. a new product will always dethrone older ones no matter actual quality. it could be that the w3 are the best ever or it could be that given a few months, they could just be average performers.

if you buy now, you are buying hype and expectations. wait a bit.
Why do you believe newer products always take priority no matter what the quality? I don't see that at all. Not all new phones are better, obviously. But someone once bought those "older" products when they were new, right? Didn't wait. And turned out happy. Not sure I see the logic, especially with liberal return policies. If you don't like them, return them, right? What's the harm in jumping in? I would bet that people were very excited when the SE500/SE530s came out, bought them right away, and are still happy with their decision. To me, unless you are talking about durability/QC issues, not SQ issues, waiting isn't always the right path.

Waiting means they will automatically be the best ever or average performers? I'd say people who like the W3s right now won't find them to be average down the road. And if they do decide to buy something else, it's because they want to try out something new, not because the phones were average to begin with.

Just a thought.
post #32 of 110
I don't think the OP is trying to start a flame war. I think the reference to cheap earbuds is legitimate. I'd assume he means that it gives "that sort of sound" but not putting them at that level... am I correct?

I think the majority may like the W3s better, but I'm sure there will be some with time that just won't enjoy the sound like others. It's good to see both kinds of reviews. Those that like them a lot and those that don't connect with the sound. All good heaphones have had the same range of opinions.
post #33 of 110
Thread Starter 
ok maybe i used wrong terms and was little harsh about w3..

bt my first impression was exactly like this...
i was excited because of reviews and i opened the package, put them on and played my fav song..and i was like...

am i missing something?..or are they really that bad?
i cant explain that lack of sound quality, you need to compare it with other top iems same time to understand what i mean...


i think i was little addicted to shures because im using them since the day they came into market..

i compared them again with my brother..he is a pianist got very good ears...
he hears both iem for first time
source: iphone 3g
song: craig david 7days
he says shure530's are more fun to listen
because the sound is beautified...w3 is like direct injection without changing anything, clear, separated sound but like i said with little sibilance issue...
he said shure treble is little blurry aka "rolled-off"

i asked which one would he prefer he said shure only because he likes boomy bass otherwise w3 is better on almost all other aspects


i guess i didnt like w3 at first sight because i was got used to shure fun signature and sibilance disturbed me..

i think i will give them some time and try with different settings before i decide to return them..maybe i keep both
post #34 of 110
They're way too expensive (w3) to have such strange impressions all over the place. I mean, i liked my Denon c751 more than se530 but not because shure sounded strange or sibilant or had bad fit. They indeed sounded like a high quality earphone but i didn't like the sound signature. Luckily i'm in Europe so i'll take IE8 for half the price of the w3. Nobody said that they sound 13 times better than R10 but no one complained about things that IMO are unacceptable for an "high-end" iem too.
post #35 of 110
Understand something not meeting expectations, which, I agree, were extremely high for this phone. All I know is I put them on, plugged them into my Zune80, and then did a simple A/B with my three best phones (X10s, which do retail for $350), Custom 3s and AL 716s modded. To me, the W3 sound was superior to all three, for reasons others have already explained in other threads. I didn't hear any sibilance at all, mainly because I believe the Zune80 sound, no EQ, is very, very warm, and I have yet to have any phones show sibilance using that particular DAP. When I try the W3s with my iPod/LOD/MiniboxE+ and the Sony DAP, along with FLAC files on my two Clips, I could feel differently. I would try to EQ them if that's the case.

I can understand even if their sound signature isn't your cup of tea, like NanjoBB says. But to trash them seems really extreme.

Anyway, glad you decided to at least try to hear them for longer than a first impression. And if they aren't for you, then you have the 530s to enjoy. I didn't mean to come off as too harsh, but I found the analogy to cheap ear buds way too extreme to be taken seriously, I guess.

Let's see where it all goes. Mine (and others) are staying put, others are repackaging to sell or return as we communicate.

And your brother sounds like a good objective person.

From the W3 thread, a direct comparison from an SE530 lover such as yourself.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/w...03/index4.html

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Originally Posted by prscustom View Post
ok maybe i used wrong terms and was little harsh about w3..

bt my first impression was exactly like this...
i was excited because of reviews and i opened the package, put them on and played my fav song..and i was like...

am i missing something?..or are they really that bad?
i cant explain that lack of sound quality, you need to compare it with other top iems same time to understand what i mean...


i think i was little addicted to shures because im using them since the day they came into market..

i compared them again with my brother..he is a pianist got very good ears...
he hears both iem for first time
source: iphone 3g
song: craig david 7days
he says shure530's are more fun to listen
because the sound is beautified...w3 is like direct injection without changing anything, clear, separated sound but like i said with little sibilance issue...
he said shure treble is little blurry aka "rolled-off"

i asked which one would he prefer he said shure only because he likes boomy bass otherwise w3 is better on almost all other aspects


i guess i didnt like w3 at first sight because i was got used to shure fun signature and sibilance disturbed me..

i think i will give them some time and try with different settings before i decide to return them..maybe i keep both
post #36 of 110
I cannot give any credibility to your comparison because of such a harsh dislike of the w3 but I have to say very nice pictures.
post #37 of 110
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
I don't think the OP is trying to start a flame war. I think the reference to cheap earbuds is legitimate. I'd assume he means that it gives "that sort of sound" but not putting them at that level... am I correct?

I think the majority may like the W3s better, but I'm sure there will be some with time that just won't enjoy the sound like others. It's good to see both kinds of reviews. Those that like them a lot and those that don't connect with the sound. All good heaphones have had the same range of opinions.
Not a problem with his disliking the W3s, but the analogy to cheap earbuds is meaningless. He didn't like them in 10 seconds, not "with time." Of course, I don't expect everyone to like, much less love, the W3s, but he wrote what he wrote, I don't think it's as nuanced as you would like to believe. They "give that sort of sound" but are "not at that level." Not sure what that means. What level are they at, if they sound like cheap earbuds? The same level, I'd say.

No matter, if he absolutely hates them, cool with me. His initial post did seem to go to the incendiary pretty quickly. Even his own brother, a musician, said the W3s outperform the SE530s in every way except for the "boomy bass," which I guess I find interesting. Who wants boomy bass?

Anyway, there are some other 530 lovers out there who currently are singing the praises of the W3s, and a few who are not. Have to see how it all shakes out.
post #38 of 110
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Originally Posted by SBD View Post
I cannot give any credibility to your comparison because of such a harsh dislike of the w3 but I have to say very nice pictures.
And why is that? People around here need to stop being so emotional when they hear a negative impression about something they like or expected to be good. It is natural for some to like it and others not too...

Just as Rob said, it's good to hear both sides....its annoying how everyone simply discredits a person when they don't jump into the hype and praise that others are giving, whether those people deem it worth that hype or not...

Headphone Addict did a great review, I find this review just as important as no can or iem is perfect. It's good to hear what people don't like about them as well...
post #39 of 110
Thread Starter 
this is my first review, due to my lack of audiophile vocabulary knowledge
i may used wrong words, but sound is very hard to describe with words..you just need to hear it..

btw, i've been listening to w3 for hours now and switched to shures 10mins ago...my fav. song lives again =D
post #40 of 110
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Originally Posted by prscustom View Post
this is my first review, due to my lack of audiophile vocabulary knowledge
i may used wrong words, but sound is very hard to describe with words..you just need to hear it..

btw, i've been listening to w3 for hours now and switched to shures 10mins ago...my fav. song lives again =D
Your words may have sounded pretty harsh, but I think your opinion is as valid as anybody else's.
And the praise has been pretty overblown too....
post #41 of 110
prscustom. Your words are too harsh! But yeah, Westone 3's aren't flat at all. Want flat, have a go at Etymotics ER4S.
And personally your ears are accustomed to your SE530's mostl likely, that's why it sounds like 10 Euro earbuds. Lol.

P.S: If that graph is the "perfect" sound then I find your whole "review" to be invalid if you're saying that Linn Klimax is the perfect sound.
post #42 of 110
It's not so hard to describe (well, for me it is but i'll learn this damn English someday...). Try mentioning what are you listening and point out the biggest differences of particular instrument or part of the song between them with your own words. Later as you read trough the variuos threads you'll learn how to describe sound more....technicaly i guess.

It is possible that you need to adjust your ears to a different sound signature for a longer period, the question is do you want to. The sibilance and fit problem that circles around is one thing(as i said unacceptable for this type of iem, especially ones that came out 2 years after their competition), but it's hard for me as well to believe that they sound belove average. Maybe too much hype? That's allways a bad thing IMO.
post #43 of 110
Didn't mean to say anyone's POV is invalid, and hearing both sides is fantastic. But I think prscustom was the victim of the hype more so than anyone else, since his expectations seem so high (and as he said, he had grown accustomed to the SE530 sound), and when they weren't met, he swung to the other extreme. Also, sounds like he has found a tip that works, at least I think so based on his last post.

Is that right, prscustom? Do you now like the W3s, a little even? Not quite sure, but it appears that way.
post #44 of 110
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NajoBB View Post
It's not so hard to describe (well, for me it is but i'll learn this damn English someday...). Try mentioning what are you listening and point out the biggest differences of particular instrument or part of the song between them with your own words. Later as you read trough the variuos threads you'll learn how to describe sound more....technicaly i guess.

It is possible that you need to adjust your ears to a different sound signature for a longer period, the question is do you want to. The sibilance and fit problem that circles around is one thing(as i said unacceptable for this type of iem, especially ones that came out 2 years after their competition), but it's hard for me as well to believe that they sound belove average. Maybe too much hype? That's allways a bad thing IMO.
ok let me try to explain why i think they sound CHEAP (10€, 50€ whatever..)

image cymbals and drums in a rock song....drum sounds have no depth/punch at all and cymbals sound sibilant and thin..imagine that..

and vocals have also piercing sssibilanccee..
everything sounds somewhat imo "out of place" or in other words "digital" or "artificially produced"
but other than that im impressed by the detail and separation...shure530 doesnt have that much

maybe w3's are "too clear" i dont know.....
to me w3's produce very detailed, sibilant, separated sound that is
and i have sensitive ears (i can hear whisper across the room =P or both with w3 and shures in some songs i can cleary hear the breathing sound to mic of the singer before he starts to sing)

btw, i somewhat reduced the sibilance playing with eq and attaching an interconnect....just a little
post #45 of 110
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Originally Posted by number1sixerfan View Post
And why is that? People around here need to stop being so emotional when they hear a negative impression about something they like or expected to be good. It is natural for some to like it and others not too...

Just as Rob said, it's good to hear both sides....its annoying how everyone simply discredits a person when they don't jump into the hype and praise that others are giving, whether those people deem it worth that hype or not...

Headphone Addict did a great review, I find this review just as important as no can or iem is perfect. It's good to hear what people don't like about them as well...
I didn't mean his opinions are BS. Nothing against the OP.

I simply meant that it's too subjective, a perfectly valid opinion but as a review, it just doesn't give reasonable credit to the w3. Saying it's cheap just shows general dislike towards the w3.

And there's no reason you should not like something even more just because of hype. You can't hate an ipod just because it's an ipod. When you hear so many good things about something, you start looking for negatives and give more credit to those simply because it's not hyped up. It can just well be "dis-hyped."
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