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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post
Thank You HeadphoneAddict for a concise personal reading of the W3 phones. One quick question for you though, what is the difference in soundstage between the Limewires and the W3?
The Livewires soundstage and transparency is very similar to the W3, something I have praised about the Livewires in the past. But the Livewires cannot match the body and presence, substance and bass of the W3 at all and are closer in sound to the Klipsch Image X10 in this regard.

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Originally Posted by nsx_23 View Post
Awesome review. I can't wait to go back to HK and audition the TF10 and UM3 side by side as my next upgrade.

Headphoneaddict, did you ever try custom tips with the TF10? I'm considering getting a pair for my SF5pro because its not too expensive to do so, and was wondering how they would affect the TF10. Whichever one I end up getting, however, I definitely will go for custom tips.
No, I tried all the stock tips with TF10, and Complys T400 tips were the only ones that worked for me. My UM-56 fit the SE530 and W3, but the hole is too small for the UE earphones. I tried them with my IM716 once, but the IM716 stick out too far since they weren't meant to be used together.

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Originally Posted by ZzBOG View Post
You the difference between Westone 3 and Triple.Fi is THAT noticeable?
It's not like something subtle, but a "new league"?
Yes, from what I recall about the TF10 before I sold them out of disappointment, I would say the W3 are in a league of their own. The TF10 are more of a fun phone than a true audiophile phone - while the W3 are for people who like a resolving and true/accurate transparent headphone that replicates the performance rather than sounding like extremely nice headphones.

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Originally Posted by p0wderh0und23 View Post
Good night!! Someone was busy writing a review while they were supposed to be eating turkey and watching football over the weekend. ;-)

Thanks for the in-depth review HA. Appreciate the history of your listening experience as well!
Thanks! I thought the history was critical for putting the W3 in their place among all the other hi-end IEM that I have owned but don't still have for direct comparison. It's not like I am using a faulty memory of the sound or issues that I had with the other earphones that I no longer have, because I have previously reported on most of these findings about the TF10Pro and SE530 in various places on head-fi, and those findings don't change.

Also, I didn't start my writeup until after all the turkey was gone

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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post
Nice to see there's no real disagreements between what Voltron and I posted over the weekend, and what Larry posted this morning

Especially the bits about a very coherent freq graph and the decay.. oh boy.. the decay.. Either we're all deaf, or they really are GREAT IEMs

Larry, how do yours sound on a tube amp? I'm getting a lot of background tube noise on mine, and I get none at all on ALL my other headphones or IEMS. These 3's seem a little sensitive with my DV amp.. I'm sure you know the one
Yep - we three are in agreement so far about the sound.

I have not tried them on a desktop amp yet. Later I will try them on the Millett SSH, EF1, and WA6. I know my WA6 has always been a little quieter than my old DV336i was with very sensitive headphones. Then maybe I'll try the Headfive and Travagans Red and HR Micro Amp that I have at the bedside rig, and then the Single Power Square Wave XL and Apogee mini-DAC hp out. It all takes time, but it isn't likely that I will be using IEM with a tube amp.

The W3 are definitely more sensitive than my Image X10 or IM716, but they are not as sensitive or hissy as my Livewires, Freq Show and SE530 customs. Have you tried a volume attenuator to hush the noise, or changing tubes? I bet my Sylvania Bad Boy 6SN7 that I saved would be a good match for the W3

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Originally Posted by jbr View Post
Larry,

You have done a masterful job setting the stage for this long awaited product. [snip] Larry, thank you for taking us there and helping us to yearn for such a fine product to be part of our lives. You done good! You rock!

Here in Texas, we'd say, "That Larry, he's good people."

david
dallas
Thanks David. It's a good thing I was born and raised in Texas then! I moved to Colorado after I finished my pediatric residency at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, where I grew up. And to top it all off, my brother David still lives in Houston with my mom and step-dad.

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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
Let's not get carried away here... I'm sure they are great and all, but...

I'm a bit concerned with the lack of treble that seems to be a ubiquitous statement with these, even if downplayed a bit because of the excitement in how they sound - Adjusted for FOTM hype, I think this might be a serious issue for those that like treble leaning headphones???? That's the issue that kept the E500s from working as all around IEMs for me.
I have no clue where the complaints about treble would come from, unless it is due to poor fit problems, a problem with making them work with a certain persons anatomy, or using only the foam tips which I mentioned will cut down the treble some.

These have some of the best treble I have heard in an IEM, and clearly passed up the SE530 the first time I heard the W3 for a direct comparison (using the same tip first on the SE530 and then on the W3). The treble is at least as extended and present as my de-podded IM716 (at any impedance from 5 ohm - 102 ohm) and better than Klipsch Image X10 as well. If the UE11Pro have more treble those are likely not the IEM for me, and I am a person who actually likes SR-325i treble too.
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Originally Posted by antonyfirst View Post
Hey, very interested in your comment about treble. I have a question: what IEMs and headphones did you hear to have satisfying treble? (apart from UE11, that is)

Only IEMS I've heard with satisfying treble, aside from UE11, were the TripleFi 10, SA6 and Sleek Custom. The TripleFi's treble comes closest to the UE11, but not quite. I understand Etys have a reputation for good treble, but I've never heard one. I can live with the W3's treble, but it truly doesn't compare to the UE11 in that regard.

I swapped various tips, even tried the Klipsch tips. You'll get the best treble presentation for the W3 with the clear tips, but they aren't very comfortable. The foam tips will give you the least, but I don't find the difference between the tips dramatic.
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
Severely lacking and treble yet they blow away SE530 on TFPro??

Huh??

Not sure anyone would really understand that. I would hope the treble in NOT like ER4S as that is simply too painful and fatiguing for many of us. A little more than UM2 or SE530 would do just fine.
I didn't say the treble was severely lacking, I said in comparison to UE11 it was.

Yes, they blow away SE530 and TFPro for several reasons.

SE530 - W3 is much more airy. Wider, deeper soundstage. More articulate bass. Midrange is very sweet, vocals are very natural. Treble is better. I don't think the SE530 does anything better at all.

TFPro - Only area the Triples win is the treble. Other than that, the midrange is recessed and easily better on W3. Soundstage is better, bass is better.
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
These have some of the best treble I have heard in an IEM, and clearly passed up the SE530 the first time I heard the W3 for a direct comparison (using the same tip first on the SE530 and then on the W3). The treble is at least as extended and present as my de-podded IM716 (at any impedance from 5 ohm - 102 ohm) and better than Klipsch Image X10 as well. If the UE11Pro have more treble those are likely not the IEM for me, and I am a person who actually likes SR-325i treble too.
I likes me some treble, but the SR325i is more than I can handle. The UE11 is very extended and detailed, but never sibilant. The 325i will melt your ears off, you are hardcore!
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Originally Posted by EyeAmEye View Post
Only IEMS I've heard with satisfying treble, aside from UE11, were the TripleFi 10, SA6 and Sleek Custom. The TripleFi's treble comes closest to the UE11, but not quite. I understand Etys have a reputation for good treble, but I've never heard one.

I swapped various tips, even tried the Klipsch tips. You'll get the best treble presentation for the W3 with the clear tips, but they aren't very comfortable. The foam tips will give you the least, but I don't find the difference between the tips dramatic.
Hey mate, a few more questions:
1-do you think the area where the Triple.fi are more trebly than the W3 is around 8kHz?
2-do you have some SA6 biflanges to try with the Westone 3?
post #96 of 2102
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Originally Posted by antonyfirst View Post
Hey mate, a few more questions:
1-do you think the area where the Triple.fi are more trebly than the W3 is around 8kHz?
2-do you have some SA6 biflanges to try with the Westone 3?

I have never been one to single out frequencies, sorry. I don't know 8kHz from 400khz, I just know what sounds good (to me) and run with it.

I don't have the SA6 anymore, so I don't have the biflanges. If the W3 is anything like the SA6, the biflanges might be a good option. The SA6's treble suffered when swapping to the Shure olives or grey tips, so maybe the W3 is the same.
post #97 of 2102
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Originally Posted by antonyfirst View Post
Hey mate, a few more questions:
1-do you think the area where the Triple.fi are more trebly than the W3 is around 8kHz?
2-do you have some SA6 biflanges to try with the Westone 3?
I can answer #2.... it's no. I tried them, and the inner sleeve is cut too far up inside the eartip, so that it in effect sits down way too far on the sound tube of the W3. You can't get them in your ears far enough as a result.
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Us Aussies are left in the dark with the W3's As far as i know, noone stocks these locally.. Our poor dollar makes these IEM's extremely expensive. Any Aussies got their hands on one? If so how/where.
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@MetroBBOY: Nice to see another bboy into headphones. Too bad breaking while wearing Westone 3 would be too crazy.
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Originally Posted by MetroBBOY View Post
Us Aussies are left in the dark with the W3's As far as i know, noone stocks these locally.. Our poor dollar makes these IEM's extremely expensive. Any Aussies got their hands on one? If so how/where.
Try Phoenix Hearing Instruments. They are the only ones in AU right now.
Phoenix Hearing Instruments
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Originally Posted by ZephyrSapphire View Post
Just waiting for someone to say that these IEMs dethrone the UE11s..
+1

I'm planning on placing my UE11 order before the first of the year.
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Originally Posted by p0wderh0und23 View Post
Try Phoenix Hearing Instruments. They are the only ones in AU right now.
Phoenix Hearing Instruments
unfort phoenix have them for $780 shipped, if we bought from USA it would only cost us around $630 shipped form EarphoneSolutions or FreqCitySound.

Regardless of having a local supplier, we are still better off buying from o'seas
post #103 of 2102
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Originally Posted by Hooran View Post
@MetroBBOY: Nice to see another bboy into headphones. Too bad breaking while wearing Westone 3 would be too crazy.
Thanks! We have good taste too Yup wouldnt try any power moves with headphones on lol.

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Originally Posted by p0wderh0und23 View Post
Try Phoenix Hearing Instruments. They are the only ones in AU right now.
Phoenix Hearing Instruments
Thanks for this mate. Much appreciated. Never heard of this mob till now.
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
unfort phoenix have them for $780 shipped, if we bought from USA it would only cost us around $630 shipped form EarphoneSolutions or FreqCitySound.

Regardless of having a local supplier, we are still better off buying from o'seas
What a way to capitalize on a mark up.. Good advice though FeedMeTrance. BTW have you confirmed an order? Most US orders take around 7-8 days to my biz address, so happy to wait that long.
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
unfort phoenix have them for $780 shipped, if we bought from USA it would only cost us around $630 shipped form EarphoneSolutions or FreqCitySound.

Regardless of having a local supplier, we are still better off buying from o'seas
Was not aware of the markup, prolly because of import taxes is my guess.
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