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post #676 of 2102
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Okay, I'll play one last time. But just to make it clear, I respect your opinions very much and I see your post as a positive, not a negative. As you said, they may not be perfect - but they do it well enough (90% success rate out your list of difficult or complex music). But, the above discovery still leaves many with questions and the naysayers with more ammo, as we are missing some important infos. So I ask


1. How do we know it isn't the iPod Touch that can't reproduce those two albums properly? If the answer is, "no phones can reproduce those albums properly", then try another source. If the answer is "because I have other phones that do it right using the touch", then go to #2.

2. Which IEM do reproduce those 2 specific albums better? If you have one that does, share that with us along with which albums that IEM does not do as well as the W3 - and see if we're at 90% still. If the answer is "none I have heard yet", then go to #3.

3. If not reproduced better by another IEM, what full size phones do play those specific albums properly (with the touch)? If the answer is, "the $399 W3 don't do it as well as my $1500 Edition 9 or any electrostatic", then I ask "is there nothing less expensive to beat them?". If the answer is, "not for $400 or less", then I rest my case (no #4)
i have to agree with the post above, seems like your desperately trying to save the westone 3 from having any flaws at all.

fact is they are not perfect and not ''better'' than anything else in its price range, like we all keep saying its not about whats best but what you prefer. westone 3 is not ''better'' than the triple fi 10, or the senn IE8, or the shure se530. and this is a fact...you may prefer them but that dont make them better in any way, i think alot of head fi members need to start realising this.

no offence, i do agree with what your saying, it could well be down to something else other than the headphones but theres no need to pick at straws when somebody points out a flaw.
post #677 of 2102
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Originally Posted by communic View Post
This sure is one funny thread! What point are you trying to prove HA? That the W3's are the best iems in its particular price range?! Like clieos said in another thread, when you start entering this price bracket on iems it becomes more a case of sonic signature preferences as opposed to simply plain better.

The manner in which some thread members have gone on about the W3's would lead me to believe they hold ordinary shares in Westone! OK, so bashing a product for the sake of it is unnecessary but by all means if a member who has good experience of top tier iems gives a negative assessment, it can be just as useful as the positive reviews especially for those of us sitting on the fence. Unfortunately, not all of us have the benefit of returning iems back to retailers without consequence.

No doubt it is probably time to put on my flame retardant suit...
No point other than without more details it is hard to know what to do with some posts, or to avoid crazy posts like mine.
post #678 of 2102
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
fact is they are not perfect and not ''better'' than anything else in its price range, like we all keep saying its not about whats best but what you prefer. westone 3 is not ''better'' than the triple fi 10, or the senn IE8, or the shure se530. and this is a fact...you may prefer them but that dont make them better in any way, i think alot of head fi members need to start realising this.
Have you even heard the Westone 3's?
post #679 of 2102
Also, while some people "go off" on long winded reviews, another huge source of babbling is other posters asking for more info or trying to pull more commentary out of the OP which leads to more babbling and perhaps "trying" to explain something that you may not be sure about.....and the whole thing goes to hell.

Westone 3, TFPro, SE530, IE8, UE10-11, ER4P....They are all freakin' AWESOME!!
post #680 of 2102
End of thread (is joke).
post #681 of 2102
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Originally Posted by pfillion View Post
I'll update my comments tonight or tomorrow after more listening sessions with the RSA Mustang. I have the feeling that this amp will transform the W3s

Patrick
I have the Mustang on the way too.......
post #682 of 2102
post #683 of 2102
This thread is becoming "Election 2008" all over again...

It's dividing the nation...

And some voters are not even eligible... (as in never listened to them before...)

But for those of you who have, keep on casting your votes!

And to those who have never listened to the W3 before... VOTE TOO!

What the heck? It's bailout year!




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post #684 of 2102
Seriously, I think SA6 is better than TF10, but that is ME!

Everyone hears differently, so everyone is going to experience differences!

This is why I spend so much money, the only way to ever tell if an earphone is good (to your liking) is to go buy it and try it!

It is in my opinion that the Westone 3's are great earphones, FOR ME! If they are good for you then yay, if you haven't tried them, take everyone's advice here with a grain of salt. People who own specific earphones can only comment on what they hear.

Unfortunetly there is no 'standard' hearing, so we can never ascertein the best earphone one and all!

If you are a bit more lax with your money (like me) buy many earphones for specific genres, or moods!

So, anyway, if you haven't heard the W3, don't complain about what people write!

If someone has finally found their audio nirvana, and is happy to proclaim it in public be happy for them.

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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
Also, while some people "go off" on long winded reviews, another huge source of babbling is other posters asking for more info or trying to pull more commentary out of the OP which leads to more babbling and perhaps "trying" to explain something that you may not be sure about.....and the whole thing goes to hell.

Westone 3, TFPro, SE530, IE8, UE10-11, ER4P....They are all freakin' AWESOME!!
Totally agreed, some members will write up a review, be it long or short, in the way they describe things, then yeah, trying to explain it is just a hassle! Sometimes you just can't explain sound!

Anyway, end rant
post #685 of 2102
I think the good news is that the Westone 3 definitely worked out in the end and was worth the wait for most. That much is obvious by the amount of happy customers compared to the ones that may not connect to the sound.

As always preference will dictate as some will prefer certain signatures over others. I think the initial release and opinions here are following their normal ups and downs, but I think all is good and it is great to have another player in that price range that at the very least competes if not steps above the competition.

It would be boring if everyone just gave an objective review without any passion for how much they like or dislike them.
post #686 of 2102
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
This is the first time I have ever owned a pair of "high end" IEMs (more than $300 MSRP), if you don't count the discounted Klipsch models, and I have to say, the entire thing is getting really tired. I even was part of the madness on a couple of posts. It's getting very clear that this process (comparing the "best" universal IEMS, re W3, SE530, TF10, IE8, etc.) is now starting to lose any real meaning, even though I realize this is supposed to be a place where people offer differing views on pieces of gear. Not sure what I am trying to say other than maybe it's time everyone just enjoy their IEMs, whatever the brand. I really think perspective/added views on the W3s when compared to other IEMs is turning into a muddled and meaningless mess due to the extreme views in either direction (and many in the middle). Every day another "revelation" about the W3s, another naysayer, another champion, another naysayer turned champion, and vice-versa. It's getting pretty weird, no?
I think it only seems weird at this point because (1) the Westone 3s are so new, (2) they've been anticipated/hyped for so long, and (3) only a handful of people have them right now. This extreme, hot-and-cold flurry of initial reactions doesn't seem all that uncommon to me, to be honest. Perhaps because some people hoped the Westone 3s would signal the salvation of portable audio -- and because, for some owners, they actually come pretty close -- the issue is more heated than usual...but over time, I suspect the W3 will fall in line with the other top-tier IEMs/headphones: generally very well regarded, but certainly not for everyone.

I personally don't see much wrong with people trying to make comparisons, especially at this early stage in the W3's lifespan. After all, this is a word-based forum devoted to discussing essentially non-linguistic things (i.e. the personal perception of sound). Suggesting "maybe it's time everyone just enjoy their IEMs" (and, what, stop posting?) doesn't make much sense to me in the context of head-fi. If it's currently clear that "this process (comparing the "best" universal IEMS, re W3, SE530, TF10, IE8, etc.) is now starting to lose any real meaning," I believe meaning will only come out of more posts and impressions (over time), not less of them.

Please don't take this as a slight against you personally, tstarn06. I deeply value your thoughts and insights here at head-fi. In fact, it is through your postings of impressions and comparisons that I have been able to identify something of a kindred sound-spirit when it comes to this highly suggestive sport of headphonery. I think that is the primary benefit of making comparisons -- being able to build a picture of each individual poster's preferences and responses to equipment so that we can put their impressions in a context of "Do I Tend To Hear Things Like Them" vs. "Do I Tend Not To Hear Things Like Them" and make more informed judgments ourselves.


EDIT: Looks like some other posts echoing these general sentiments snuck in while I was typing this...Oh wells.

For the record, I plan on adding my own short impressions when I've had more time with my W3s and a chance to acclimate to each tip choice. Reader beware!
post #687 of 2102
Can't say I disagree. Things just seemed to have gotten more, uh, sloppy than usual, and much more extreme. How about the W3s have been compared to a $20 ear bud and a $1,500 full headphone, and pretty much everything in-between it seems? I just haven't read that many far-ranging opinions on a specific product in my two short years here, and it is getting disconcerting - almost as bad as that vertigo I had for a week due to a severe cold. Like some sort of acoustic tennis match. Back and forth, over the net....

Anyway, it's all good, as the cliche goes. I guess. The worst part for me is, as you probably know, I can't even listen to the damn things until Xmas day after making that idiotic promise to my wife. However, I HAVE heard them, albeit for only 30-45 minutes. What I heard, I definitely liked.

So no, I didn't mean people should cease posting their viewpoints. Perhaps the strangest thing is I can't seem to stop reading them. What's up with that? I am really losing my grip on reality. Okay, back the great Westone 3 debate.
post #688 of 2102
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Originally Posted by epithetless View Post
If it's currently clear that "this process (comparing the "best" universal IEMS, re W3, SE530, TF10, IE8, etc.) is now starting to lose any real meaning, "
I believe meaning will only come out of more posts and impressions (over time), not less of them.
I AGREE!!
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I think that is the primary benefit of making comparisons -- being able to build a picture of each individual poster's preferences and responses to equipment so that we can put their impressions in a context of "Do I Tend To Hear Things Like Them" vs. "Do I Tend Not To Hear Things Like Them"
and make more informed judgments ourselves.
I agree with this too. There are a few people here who I 'share' the same listening preferences with, and if their views totally conflict with other views, then I want to hear about it, because the chances are I'll hear it like that too. In the W3 case, it's been very interesting (for me anyway!), to hear all the contrasting views. I mean, if you can't pick apart a headphone to pieces and analyse it down to the very last tiny little detail right here on Head-Fi, where else can you do it??? I know the W3 is 'new', and there's been this HUGE build up for so long, that expectations are really high, but I don't dismiss anyone's opinions, no matter how wildly they differ from other opinons.

The one thing I wll add to all this, is that having got them for the second time... I still find that initially, the sound doesn't overwhelm me all. It takes a while for me to warm to them. It's the same effect I hear when I turn my home system on, it just doesn't sound great till it's warmed up. I know the W3 doesn't 'need' to warm up, I'm just saying that's the effect I get when I put them in for the first time. For the first 10/15 minutes I think, hmmmm, they sound very average - and then very gradually they change (or my ears adjust?) - and I think, 'WOW.

But they have to be the most unpredictable phone I've ever had, and I've had a few. When I go back to the TF10 afterwards, it's as if half the music got shut in a cupboard. BUT.... if I listen to the TF10 for a while, they sound great to me too. It's all so confusing

EDIT: Still hearing quite a bit of sibilance on tracks which don't display it with other earphones. That's my main concern at the moment. The Image gels did nothing for me, so now I'm waiting for the JAYS tips to arrive and ssssssssssssssssshhh the ssssssssssssibilance. The one thing I've picked up from all the opinions, is that the W3 could well be the most fussy earphone ever as far as tips are concerned.
post #689 of 2102
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Seriously, I think SA6 is better than TF10, but that is ME!
What a silly post, FMT. There's no question that the SA6 has a better sound than the TF10P.
post #690 of 2102
that makes 2 of us, altho SA6 (not to hijack thread) is way hard to review with all the diff treble and bass mods etc, atm using the black treble tip with new bass+ port
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