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post #451 of 2102
Big fan of my Um2's, have a pair of W3's on order from earphonesolutions.com, always have liked the silicone tri-flange. Can't wait to hear these things. The wait, the wait, the wait.
post #452 of 2102
Well after going back and forth with my SE530's more, there really are pros and cons to both.

First, I want Shure to copy the bass of the W3 exactly. It is better in just about every way.

Second, Westone needs to copy the mids from the Shure. The Shure's put the actual guts of the song in your face, which is great.

And the high's? This is up in the air. I'll say this, to my 27 year old ears two things are apparent.
1. The W3 has much "better" highs - the result is that the music sounds more realisitic. It is also more accurate in the sense that you'll hear things you won't hear in the Shures.
2. I'm not sure if I actually like #1. It really does make the music harsh. Sibilance and high frequency just sort of grate on my ears after a while. I can turn the Shures up louder and the sound is ... comfortable... smoother... for longer periods of time.

For the critical sound quality fan, the Westone's are superior in my opinion. Right now I'm back to thinking that which one you would actually prefer is going to be a personal matter.
post #453 of 2102
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
just buy it!

i did it, ill deal with the money hole later.

the best way, imho, is list all the stuff uve achieved this year, and make it a gift to urself!
just bought zephyrsapphire's W3 LOL curse you head-fi it was inevitable and when he put them up for sale I couldn't resist. thanks for the arm twisting guys; i'm sure I wont be disappointed; but they certainly have some big shoes to fill since I made the new cable for my SE530 with 75K impedance adapter
post #454 of 2102
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post
just bought zephyrsapphire's W3 LOL curse you head-fi it was inevitable and when he put them up for sale I couldn't resist. thanks for the arm twisting guys; i'm sure I wont be disappointed; but they certainly have some big shoes to fill since I made the new cable for my SE530 with 75K impedance adapter
As always, please post your impressions when you get them.

It's not looking good for me though. I'm not convinced.
post #455 of 2102
I don't think there are any "real" comparisons on the market atm I have ordered the w3's to compare to my 530's and tf10's but as of right now I am going to judge them for myself since I think there is a lot of hype and other influences in the air
post #456 of 2102
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Originally Posted by moseboy View Post
As always, please post your impressions when you get them.

It's not looking good for me though. I'm not convinced.
There's no need for you to get 'convinced' I suppose then. I'll just tell you that for me, they're one of the least sibilant phones I've had. I hear NONE in the upper treble registers (in fact, they're pretty staggering in how smooth yet detailed the treble is). Where I've heard a few, albeit very rare, instances is in upper mids. Vocals can sort of jump forward on some stuff. It seems to be where singers really throw their voices hard though....so I'm wondering if the accuracy of the W3's are picking up on things in the recording that other phones couldn't.

As for it not looking good for you, you'll be missing out on one very special quality....and this is their biggest strength for me- the unbelievable spatial resolution. Others have said that they image great, have wonderful soundstage, etc etc... but what I hear them doing in a completely other league over anything else I've listened to is render instruments/vocalists in space. I hear a bigger soundstage overall on the Senn IE8, but they can't do what the W3 does where you hear the exact placement of a vocalist in relation to other band members. You'll hear where a bongo player was standing in perfect relation to the rest of the players... you'll hear the air of the studio/venue... it's remarkable stuff. Very special. For me, they're keepers just because of this one thing.
post #457 of 2102
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
There's no need for you to get 'convinced' I suppose then. I'll just tell you that for me, they're one of the least sibilant phones I've had. I hear NONE in the upper treble registers (in fact, they're pretty staggering in how smooth yet detailed the treble is). Where I've heard a few, albeit very rare, instances is in upper mids. Vocals can sort of jump forward on some stuff. It seems to be where singers really throw their voices hard though....so I'm wondering if the accuracy of the W3's are picking up on things in the recording that other phones couldn't.

As for it not looking good for you, you'll be missing out on one very special quality....and this is their biggest strength for me- the unbelievable spatial resolution. Others have said that they image great, have wonderful soundstage, etc etc... but what I hear them doing in a completely other league over anything else I've listened to is render instruments/vocalists in space. I hear a bigger soundstage overall on the Senn IE8, but they can't do what the W3 does where you hear the exact placement of a vocalist in relation to other band members. You'll hear where a bongo player was standing in perfect relation to the rest of the players... you'll hear the air of the studio/venue... it's remarkable stuff. Very special. For me, they're keepers just because of this one thing.
Don't mind me asking but how old are you and what tips are you using?
post #458 of 2102
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Don't mind me asking but how old are you and what tips are you using?
LOL!!! I don't mind you asking (unless I came across as being ancient or something!)... I'm 37. I am using the large grey silicon single flange tips provided in the W3 accessories. I get a great seal, and they don't back out at all.
post #459 of 2102
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Originally Posted by moseboy View Post
As always, please post your impressions when you get them.

It's not looking good for me though. I'm not convinced.
for sure; I will be posting impressions using iphone 3G (HP out as well as line out), DIYMOD 5.5g, and my RME pro audio interface; a pico and mini^3 and using a large variety of interconnects and capped docks with blackgate and VCAP caps. also comparing them directly to the SE530 with both the stock cable and the new jena with 75k impedance adapter.Of course, I will have to make an impedance adapter with the same resistors to make it a level playing field; as the W3 have even lower impedance than the shures. I just hope zeph includes some long comply because by the sounds of it ill need them, I have plenty of short here and quite a few olives, but not sure if i'll get a deep enough seal with the short comply.

I will be really listening for sibilance issues with a few test tracks including some off Seventh Tree by Goldfrapp (a fantastic album that I am listening to right now and know very well along with some hybrid, groove armada and the portishead live albulm (for soundstage and instrument seperation and some sibilance). some rockbox EQ may be used to try and tame it along with the choice of cable;. all in all it should be a pretty thorough review if things go to plan. we'll see if my writing is up to the task. I will post initial impressions but then want to give it at least a few days before further comment.
post #460 of 2102

cn11

Have you decided which of the 2 you like the best out of IE8 and W3? im still trying to decide which to purchase here in the uk. Thanks
post #461 of 2102
Alright.... First of all, I'm not a Shure lover or a Westone hater. I have just had a good experience with Shure a product (SE530) and a bad experience with a previous Westone product (UM2). Now, I could write a several paragraph post about why I like the SE530, but I'll spare you. I'll just say this: The reason I love the SE530 the most is that it takes me and puts me into my music. It surrounds me and lets me be in my own little world. I can wear them for hours and hours and hours on end and I've never had to take them off because my ears are fatigued. On the same note, I can't remember a single time where I've listened to a song and something has jumped out at me or distracted me in any way. So everything sounds perfect, right? Well, no: I have some nitpicks about the sound signature and I wish they had a slightly more polished sound. But other than that I love them.

So now I have the option to get the Westone 3 that's supposed to be "so much better than the SE530" (and I'm not exaggerating: Look at the thread title). And I know in many respects it is. (It's all been said before.) But when it comes right down to it, for me, I have to ask myself if it will give me the same experience I have now with my SE530. And so far, I'm pretty convinced it won't. Yeah, it has much crisper highs that I long for with my SE530 and the bass is refined. But if sounds are unnaturally jumping out at me, even if it doesn't happen in every song, that takes me out of my "world." Now, I hear people saying that no, the Westone 3 isn't sibilant at all. However, I don't think I've seen a single person say they found the UM2 to show sibilance (like I did) and the Westone 3 to show none (please correct me if I'm wrong). All in all, I'd love to give the Westone 3 a chance and I'd love for me to like them more than my SE530, but they've got to do a lot to make me ditch what I already have. And with comments like this appearing so soon after the Westone 3's release...

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Originally Posted by Jensen View Post
1. The W3 has much "better" highs - the result is that the music sounds more realisitic. It is also more accurate in the sense that you'll hear things you won't hear in the Shures.
2. I'm not sure if I actually like #1. It really does make the music harsh. Sibilance and high frequency just sort of grate on my ears after a while. I can turn the Shures up louder and the sound is ... comfortable... smoother... for longer periods of time.
...I just don't know if they can do it.
post #462 of 2102
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Originally Posted by Fruits View Post
Have you decided which of the 2 you like the best out of IE8 and W3? im still trying to decide which to purchase here in the uk. Thanks
I am keeping the W3. My IE8 is up for sale..... for reasons stated in the various threads.......
post #463 of 2102
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
There's no need for you to get 'convinced' I suppose then. I'll just tell you that for me, they're one of the least sibilant phones I've had. I hear NONE in the upper treble registers (in fact, they're pretty staggering in how smooth yet detailed the treble is). Where I've heard a few, albeit very rare, instances is in upper mids. Vocals can sort of jump forward on some stuff. It seems to be where singers really throw their voices hard though....so I'm wondering if the accuracy of the W3's are picking up on things in the recording that other phones couldn't.

As for it not looking good for you, you'll be missing out on one very special quality....and this is their biggest strength for me- the unbelievable spatial resolution. Others have said that they image great, have wonderful soundstage, etc etc... but what I hear them doing in a completely other league over anything else I've listened to is render instruments/vocalists in space. I hear a bigger soundstage overall on the Senn IE8, but they can't do what the W3 does where you hear the exact placement of a vocalist in relation to other band members. You'll hear where a bongo player was standing in perfect relation to the rest of the players... you'll hear the air of the studio/venue... it's remarkable stuff. Very special. For me, they're keepers just because of this one thing.
I couldn't agree more - I cannot find one thing to complain about with these W3 - I am stumped as to how some people are hearing the things that they are hearing (that I don't hear). To me they are detailed and dynamic and fast and spacious and smooth and full bodied and powerful and extended and balanced and natural and anything good I can say about them.

It seems the majority of owners are still blown away by how amazing these are, but that a fair number (although in the minority) hear sibilance or lack of detail or lack of body (calling them thin), and it makes me wonder if there is something wrong with their W3 or their ears. I can see how some people will say the W3 don't suit their tastes, but to hear sibilance everywhere or to be unable to discern any micro-details that so clearly are right there in front of me, or to say they sound THIN is simply baffling to me. I wish I could get to the bottom of it.
post #464 of 2102
Thanks, was hoping it was other way round due to price over here lol
post #465 of 2102
I'm just going to wait it out, unless I can find someone or some place down here in Milwaukee that will let me try them out.

At this point, I'm almost more looking forward to getting a sub for my 2.0 speaker system. But unfortunately, it's starting to pull a "Westone 3" in terms of production time . Lol, I shouldn't make jokes like that though. It really isn't their fault.

We'll see what happens.
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