I wont change until mine are too hard and shrunken to use anymore.
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › REVIEW: WESTONE 3, the ULTIMATE UNIVERSAL IEM vs everything else - AKA W3 Appreciation Thread
Featured Stories
Topics Discussed
- itemDenon AH C700K Reference Audio In Ear Headphones Black
- itemSennheiser HD 600
- brandShure
- itemShure E2c N Sound Isolating Earphones Black
- itemShure E2c Sound Isolating Earphones
- itemShure E2c Sound Isolating In Ear Earphones Color CLEAR E2C E2
- itemShure E2 Isolation Earphones
- itemShure SE530 Sound Isolating Earphones
- itemWestone ES 5
- itemWestone UM3x
Related Forum Threads
- Battle Of The Flagships (57 Headphones Compared) UPDATE: Ultimate Ears UERM added (4/14/13) Last post on Today at 12:36 am in Headphones (full-size)
- SHURE E2 monitor id help... Last post on 11/5/10 at 1:23am in Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors
- Why do earphone cables go out? Last post on 7/30/10 at 1:58am in Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors
- Seeking Shure SRH840 sound and earplug-quality isolation in an IEM Last post on 12/22/10 at 2:00pm in Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors
- Are Shure SE535's No longer top tier / high end IEMs? Last post on 1/1/11 at 5:38am in Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors
Related Articles
-
2012 Head-Fi Holiday Gift Guide (Over-Ear)
Edited on 5/13/13
- Comparing headphones: Sennheiser's HD 800, HD 600, HD 25-1 and...
Edited on 5/27/12Related Head Gear
Recent Reviews
-
I used this amp mainly with a pair of HD 650 and it does what it is supposed to do: it has way more power than I need, it's quiet and it makes everything sound in its place. I have never heard...
-
I bought these headphones just for the fun of it, to see how they sound with all that apparently amazing bass. Well, for $50, they're ok sounding for extra bass headphones. They do have a...
-
Bought it some time ago, based on user reviews. Straight out of the box it seemed huge, especially compared to my old Cowon D2. Also, sound was awful. Granted, I don't have large hi-fi cans, only...
-
Along with the summary below, I have posted a Youtube video review of the ATH-CKN70. If you like the video, check out my channel for more reviews :) Summary BUILD The...
-
Introduction I’m a basshead. I say that loudly and proudly, even though some folks believe basshead and audiophile are mutually exclusive. Obviously, I’m not in that camp. But sometimes, I...
- Comparing headphones: Sennheiser's HD 800, HD 600, HD 25-1 and...
REVIEW: WESTONE 3, the ULTIMATE UNIVERSAL IEM vs everything else - AKA W3 Appreciation Thread - Page 17
Gear mentioned in this thread:
- HeadphoneAddict
- Trader Feedback: +9
-
- offline
- 16,736 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Rocky Mountains, CO
- Select All Posts By This User
Don't forget it takes 60 days to get the cashback. I heard Jaben might be selling these for a good price, doesn't he ship to aussieland down under whatchamacallit?
post #243 of 2095
12/3/08 at 11:37pm
Psycoacoustic Engineering
Faster than a speeding bullet.More powerful than a locomotive.
Able to leap tall music in a single bound.
Westone 3. (It's alive!)
Forget specs: frequency response curves, THD, milliamps, and milliwatts.
Alone, together, divided by Pi to the N'th power - it doesn't matter - they are all insufficient metrics, to fully characterize the psychoacoustic image that the "3's" generate.
Somebody at Westone (IMHO) had to realize, that the way humans perceive acoustic images, only starts with these parameters. It is also materially dependent on how each of these parameters change dynamically, alone and together - millisecond by millisecond.
(Westone probably put an acoustic cognition research guy in charge of development, instead of an electrical engineer)
After all, when you plug them in, the 3's are playing into one big honkin' Neural Net - your brain. And what your brain does for a living, is "recognize, characterize, and integrate, complex dynamic hierarchical patterns". Patterns with huge amounts of fan-in / fan-out (interdependencies), percolating through huge numbers of neurons (brain cells).
It's now dawning on me that the 3's were designed to maximize realism of the acoustic image they generate. Nothing else.
I suspect we are all "counting angels on a pinhead", when it comes to the spec game. I'm done with it! (LOL)
Perhaps that's why this forum is so valuable: I submit there is no better indicator of real "psycoacoustic image" quality & texture (and its variance among the population), than the subjective, yet well considered, "rantings and ravings" shared among the members of this community.
Back to the 3's:
- Can't even begin to think of A/B testing - I will NOT take these things out!
- I've never (ever) heard a sound transducer of any sort, that so realistically simulates being in the same room with the musicians - period. Not even my Definitive BP2000's! (with the 3's, everything synergizes in ways that I can't hope to fathom, to create the best illusion of "being there" that I've ever heard).
-High volume - no problemo. Had to crank them down from "concert levels" to keep from bleeding. Yet they weren't even close to being out of breath.
- low volume. This one was a big surprise. They "stay alive" even at very low listening volumes.
- "Liveness": that's the one word description of the 3's.
- example: David Gilmour: Live at Gdansk
Before, I thought the engineering on this live performance was just OK. With the 3's, I came to appreciate the masterful recording & mixing done on this album (to say nothing of the performance itself). Couldn't stop thinking that "this is exactly what it sounded like in the mixing studio, with umpteen thousands of dollars worth of signal train and the best monitors money can buy. It sounds just like you are in the studio! No other way to describe it.
(PS: Gilmour's guitar solo on A Great Day for Freedom - wow!)
- example: Bella Sonus
the imaging and precision on this one is just downright scary. Rock solid tight bass, right down to the bottom. But most of all, it's spacial imaging, combined with sweet precision (scalpel like attack, yet sweet & uber-natural multi-path sounding decay). Again: sounds exactly like being in the mixing studio, to me.
-Craig Chaquico: Just Friends. His amplified acoustic guitar on this one absolutely sings with the 3's. It didn't with anything else.
- Def Lepard: Hysteria: Deluxe Edition 2006 (not just a remix - new, highly engineered performances of old favorites). This one was like night and day. With the 3's, the vocals simply jump into your head - sounds like they're 10 feet away - every breath, every nuance is "real".
- Scorpions: Humanity
The 3's seem to dynamically adjust, between the melodic / acoustic intro portion, followed by the power metal chorus. It's almost like they programmed a conductor into them - it's like he's constantly telling each musician to "bring it up a bit" or "take it down a bit".
-iPhone: after using them extensively on the phone today, I can attest that products like the PK2's and SE530's don't come anywhere close to generating the "image" of the person being "right there".
More to follow...
post #244 of 2095
12/3/08 at 11:38pm
- FeedMeTrance
- Trader Feedback: 0
- Niiice!
-
- offline
- 3,186 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Melbourne, Australia
- Select All Posts By This User
can anyone comment on amp synergy at all?
post #245 of 2095
12/3/08 at 11:51pm
- PouncePony
- Trader Feedback: 0
-
- offline
- 444 Posts. Joined 6/2004
- Location: Suffolk, Virginia
- Select All Posts By This User
5G IPod -> RSA Predator -> W3s -> Ears ... Bliss!!!
post #246 of 2095
12/3/08 at 11:53pm
- FeedMeTrance
- Trader Feedback: 0
- Niiice!
-
- offline
- 3,186 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Melbourne, Australia
- Select All Posts By This User
was hoping to see some pico centric comments :P
- HeadphoneAddict
- Trader Feedback: +9
-
- offline
- 16,736 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Rocky Mountains, CO
- Select All Posts By This User
They are fantastic with Pico and very good with Predator, although I have been using the Pico more with my laptop and so I haven't fully formed an opinion of the them with the Predator. They are not bad with the D2 Boa, but it is not my favorite and I might slightly like my 54 hour Nuforce Icon Mobile more than the D2 with them as it is more forward and reminds me of the Meier amps, and doesn't have some of the coloration of the D2 Boa. That is as far as I have gotten.
PS: Don't forget, I am placing links to other people's impressions and reviews at the bottom of the first post.
PS: Don't forget, I am placing links to other people's impressions and reviews at the bottom of the first post.
post #248 of 2095
12/4/08 at 12:46am
- ckhirnigs113
- Trader Feedback: +2
-
- offline
- 497 Posts. Joined 5/2005
- Location: The Dirty South, USA
- Select All Posts By This User
Has anyone had a chance to use them with the iBasso D3?
- HeadphoneAddict
- Trader Feedback: +9
-
- offline
- 16,736 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Rocky Mountains, CO
- Select All Posts By This User
Here is how well they tuck into the ear with Westome UM-56 custom sleeves. The clear thing sticking out is the handle to remove the tip should the earphone become disconnected from the custom tip:




post #250 of 2095
12/4/08 at 1:15am
- Punnisher
- Trader Feedback: +1
-
- offline
- 2,388 Posts. Joined 12/2007
- Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
- Select All Posts By This User
Thanks for your review and impressions, HA. Although, I did expect you to be a little more...green.

- HeadphoneAddict
- Trader Feedback: +9
-
- offline
- 16,736 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Rocky Mountains, CO
- Select All Posts By This User
Quote:
|
Thanks for your review and impressions, HA. Although, I did expect you to be a little more...green.
![]() |
Ooh look GREEN...eyes!
post #252 of 2095
12/4/08 at 2:41am
- hockeyb213
- Trader Feedback: 0
- BANNED: BAD TRADER
-
- offline
- 2,976 Posts. Joined 6/2008
- Location: Long Island, N.Y
- Select All Posts By This User
ha are you using the custom tips? I think I remember reading you did anyways I just ordered my westone 3's and I already have some impressions but I want to know what their turn around time is on the tips before I sent them off
post #253 of 2095
12/4/08 at 2:46am
- hockeyb213
- Trader Feedback: 0
- BANNED: BAD TRADER
-
- offline
- 2,976 Posts. Joined 6/2008
- Location: Long Island, N.Y
- Select All Posts By This User
I think these pictures solved all fears I had about the iem sticking out too much so now I am definitely going to be looking into those tips....
post #254 of 2095
12/4/08 at 2:50am
- CMasten
- Trader Feedback: 0
-
- offline
- 502 Posts. Joined 2/2006
- Location: So Cal
- Select All Posts By This User
almost all of my MS Live cash backs have been posted to my PayPal account withing 24 hours. Some taking a few days and some a bit longer. I am not sure what the deal is on how they decide. I ordered some panels and memory etc for my kids computers and the cash back posted the same day!
- HeadphoneAddict
- Trader Feedback: +9
-
- offline
- 16,736 Posts. Joined 8/2007
- Location: Rocky Mountains, CO
- Select All Posts By This User
See, I'm psycho and thought of your question before you did! Er, I mean psychic...
Return Home
Back to Forum: Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors
- REVIEW: WESTONE 3, the ULTIMATE UNIVERSAL IEM vs everything else - AKA W3 Appreciation Thread
Gear mentioned in this thread:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › REVIEW: WESTONE 3, the ULTIMATE UNIVERSAL IEM vs everything else - AKA W3 Appreciation Thread
Currently, there are 2168 Active Users
(449 Members and 1719 Guests)
Recent Discussions
- › Denon ah-ncw 500- new in box. 9 seconds ago
- › The New iRiver AK100: A High-End DAP 17 seconds ago
- › Concise Multi-IEM Comparison (HifiMan RE400 added , March. 1st, 2013) 1 minute ago
- › 2359glenn | studio 1 minute ago
- › MDR 7506 or ath m50? 2 minutes ago
- › The Centrance HiFi M8 thread 2 minutes ago
- › HiFiman HE-500 (HE as in High End) please post your impressions. .... 3 minutes ago
- › The discovery thread.! NEW Jant71's take on the new ATH-CLR100 Pg... 4 minutes ago
- › 50mm driver open air full size cans pop out of nowhere, sound amazing 5 minutes ago
- › T-PEOS H-200 - new triple hybrid IEM - Appreciation thread 5 minutes ago
View: New Posts | All Discussions
Recent Reviews
- › Audio-technica AIR Dynamic Headphones Ath-ad1000x by a_recording
- › Schiit Valhalla by Rem0o
- › Sony MDR-XB500 40mm XB Diaphragm Driver Extra Bass Headphones by derbigpr
- › Colorfly Pocket Hi-fi C4 by yxmees
- › audio-technica Premium Compact Inner Ear Headphones ATH-CKN70 Black... by a_recording
- › AUDIO TECHNICA ATH PRO700 mk2 by TheGame21x
- › Monoprice 8320 IEM by Taharqa
- › Fanmusic MS-E1011 by ItsMeHere
- › Audio-gd NFB-5 by citadel
- › HE-5LE by JamesHuntington
View: More Reviews
New Articles
- › Syncing music and making playlists work with... by Currawong
- › Mac OS X Music Players - alternatives to iTunes by miceblue
- › STAX SR-007 (Omega II) ... A Review After 4... by Currawong
- › List of lossless and high-res music (FLAC,... by ffivaz
- › Beware of the following scams and people... by Currawong
- › Sennheiser 449 Mod Possibly 4 8 Mod by hernan604
- › 2012 Head-Fi Holiday Gift Guide (Computer Audio) by joe
- › 2012 Head-Fi Holiday Gift Guide (Portable... by joe
- › 2012 Head-Fi Holiday Gift Guide (Desktop Audio) by joe
- › 2012 Head-Fi Holiday Gift Guide (Headphone... by joe
View: New Articles | All Articles
Home | Head Gear | Forums | Articles | My Profile
About Head-Fi.org | Join the Community | Advertise
© 2013 Head-Fi.org is powered by Huddler Tech | FAQ | Support | Privacy/TOS | Site Map
About Head-Fi.org | Join the Community | Advertise
© 2013 Head-Fi.org is powered by Huddler Tech | FAQ | Support | Privacy/TOS | Site Map


















