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post #166 of 7724
12/25/08 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by sandchak View Post
And I am NO SHILL, I am maybe the first to pay advance for Compass on 19th December, that is the level of faith in the product, and if you guys think by saying such things it will decrease, sorry it wont - I believe Compass looks like a super product AS A CUSTOMER...

For those who think I am a SHILL here is the Paypal receipt..





Dear Sandeep Chakraborty,

You have sent a payment of $250.00 USD to audio-gd@vip.163.com.

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Amount: $250.00 USD
Transaction Date: 19-Dec-2008
Transaction ID: 1U6441670F6847915

Subject: Advance for COMPASS DAC

Message:
Hi Kingwa, Here is the advance, the rest I will write to you email.. Thank you Sandeep

Shipping Address:

Nutsubidze Plateau
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Georgia
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Ok, let's make sure we understand each other here. You were able to purchase this product before anyone else at a promotional price that is not being offered to the public as yet? A price that we don't know will be offered to the public, since it hasn't been offered. One that by your own admission is at cost, and you wanted to get one at that price while you could.

That's a pretty good move on your part. Then when the price goes up, you can sell at possibly a little profit and have use of this piece of equipment for free or even make a profit doing it. You might even be able to Market it as pre-production and sell as a Special Edition that contains features that didn't make it into production.

I wonder why they would do that for you?
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post #167 of 7724
12/25/08 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by les_garten View Post
Ok, let's make sure we understand each other here. You were able to purchase this product before anyone else at a promotional price that is not being offered to the public as yet? A price that we don't know will be offered to the public, since it hasn't been offered. One that by your own admission is at cost, and you wanted to get one at that price while you could.

That's a pretty good move on your part. Then when the price goes up, you can sell at possibly a little profit and have use of this piece of equipment for free or even make a profit doing it. You might even be able to Market it as pre-production and sell as a Special Edition that contains features that didn't make it into production.

I wonder why they would do that for you?
Did you read what I said, it was an ADVANCE as written in the Paypal Subject.. What are you talking man??..
Are you OK?? what are you after??.. you couldn't prove what you accused me of saying.. you couldnt prove I am a SHILL because I paid in advance much earlier.. NOW WHAT??
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post #168 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by les_garten View Post
Ok, let's make sure we understand each other here. You were able to purchase this product before anyone else at a promotional price that is not being offered to the public as yet? A price that we don't know will be offered to the public, since it hasn't been offered. One that by your own admission is at cost, and you wanted to get one at that price while you could.

That's a pretty good move on your part. Then when the price goes up, you can sell at possibly a little profit and have use of this piece of equipment for free or even make a profit doing it. You might even be able to Market it as pre-production and sell as a Special Edition that contains features that didn't make it into production.

I wonder why they would do that for you?
The price has been established already by Kingwa, just open the website:
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USD250(The initial promotional price)
Your attitude sucks, I had the opportunity to tell you just that a few days ago, just seems to be your way of conducting yourself so, we can't expect a change, I guess that's why ignore lists exist.
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post #169 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:06pm
Actually I have the chance to compare DAC 100 with Franken ZERO.

Between DAC100 and Compass, the dac section is the same, and DAC 100 might have slightly better components.

The difference between DAC100 and Franken Zero is not small. I can immediately hear how clean and how detail DAC100 can be. The distortion in DAC100 is extremely low, the sound is smoother.

On openning the DAC100, you can notice the components used are alot better than u can find in ZERO. Fully dale resistor, CMC RCA, >10k microfarads capcitor, etc the list go on.
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post #170 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by sandchak View Post
Les, I do not know who you are particularly aiming at, but:

1 ) You say : Then statements like, yes it is going to sound better than this product or that product, you start sounding like a company SHILL.

You couldn't find where I said Compass will sound better than this or that? Right? So you are wrong accusing me of that statement, I proven I have paid much before this day, so don't I prove you and "csroc", you guys are wrong again accusing me to be a SHILL..

2) I was not the first to say NO PROFIT, I was not corresponding with kingwa on Compass at that period of time (12-3-2008) to get that information, it was Currawong "The price will still be around US$250, though hopefully a bit lower. This is with no profit! He's going to have to make it well as he'll make a complete loss if anything is faulty." and I just trusted a good headfiers word.
You have been a headfier since November and already written 221 posts at an average of 4.5 posts a day, I think you should start reading posts more carefully than just writing away whatever you feel, maybe you will know things before accusing..

3) This post was started as a good cause to search for an alternative for ZERO DAC, Clearly says on the Subject, I am grateful and I repeat I AM GRATEFUL to KINGWA to develop something like Compass and Currawong for initiating the entire thing.. If you think this is a wrong place to hear good things and excitement about Compass, then I guess you are at the wrong place..

Honestly, you have said a lot without knowing who said what.. I have nothing else to say..
I'm not aiming at anybody, you still don't get that part. You do defendeth yourself loudly though!

I never said YOU said it would be better than another product. I said it was mentioned in the thread. You did make some statements about a product comparison, but I didn't quote them.

Every product in R&D pre-production is at a Profit Loss. IT hasn't been sold yet, except to you of course. Your NO PROFIT post sounded like a sales pitch. That's the message I received.

I'm grateful to all the Chinese companies making good products. You suggest because someone voices an observation, he should go elsewhere.

Ok, so I joined in November, and you make an observation about how many posts I've made. You've obviously done at least a cursory glance look at my profile looking for a few straws to grasp. You might mention how many threads I've posted on. Sorry that I read so fast. If I had 1 post a week, I'm sure you would mention that also as being too few to speak up. As I mentioned before, address the subjective.

Ohh and congratulations on the deal you got before anybody else did!
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post #171 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by les_garten View Post

Ohh and congratulations on the deal you got before anybody else did!

What deal are talking about???.. I just paid some advance so that I dont spend the money due to holiday season, and whenever he would fix the price, and the Compass would be ready for sale and shipping, I would pay the rest and the shipping, so that I would be among the receivers of the first batch of Compass as he had initially planned to make the first 10 Compass all Aluminum and the rest, only aluminum faceplate but rest iron, later he changed his mind and decided to make all aluminum.. I still dont understand what you are trying to get at, anyway, that is your problem, not mine..
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post #172 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:19pm
Well in spite of all this drama I'm excited about this product

I just wish it had a crossfeed mechanism.
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post #173 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:23pm
I have to say, there is a ton of fanboyism in here. First off, R&D into a product is always a loss, thats how it works, its not like it's something special there that hes not being paid to design a new product. Does a farmer get paid for going out every day and working in the fields? No, he gets paid when he sells his crop.

To say that hes operating at a loss is foolish. Theres reasons why you don't find businesses operating at a loss, cause they don't stay in business long.
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post #174 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by GUINNE55 View Post
I have to say, there is a ton of fanboyism in here. First off, R&D into a product is always a loss, thats how it works, its not like it's something special there that hes not being paid to design a new product. Does a farmer get paid for going out every day and working in the fields? No, he gets paid when he sells his crop.

To say that hes operating at a loss is foolish. Theres reasons why you don't find businesses operating at a loss, cause they don't stay in business long.
I dont know about farmers, but it was smart but calculated risk he has taken to establish Compass, and also I dont think his business is running at an loss overall, I am sure if that was the case he would have shut down by now, but he talking about ONLY Compass among his many other products where I am sure he is making quite a good profit..
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post #175 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by GUINNE55 View Post
I have to say, there is a ton of fanboyism in here. First off, R&D into a product is always a loss, thats how it works, its not like it's something special there that hes not being paid to design a new product. Does a farmer get paid for going out every day and working in the fields? No, he gets paid when he sells his crop.

To say that hes operating at a loss is foolish. Theres reasons why you don't find businesses operating at a loss, cause they don't stay in business long.
As a general practice this is true, specially the traditional businesses, but you cannot generalize such things, many markets operate at loss even after sale, while quantities up, and when you hit a certain target / quantity, then you begin to recover at a (possible) exponential rate.

For example the PlayStations, Xbox's, etc, they begin at a loss, and a big one, but once your able to sell a couple of million the parts start to get way cheaper for you, to the tune of fractions of what they costed, the production gets cheaper, the design is perfected, errors in the manufacturing process start to happened a lot less, etc.

I worked for Infinium/Qimonda (semiconductor manufacturer) for some time, and this is the way they operate also, for the most part.

It is a calculated risk, and as such some products fail and give some big headaches to the CEOs of the world, with great losses to justify, some have great success.
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post #176 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:41pm
Ok, I'll accept the penalty flag here. I'm all wrong.

There are strict forum rules here about what can be posted by who. Manufacturers are not supposed to post in threads about products, AFAIK. Kingwas can't post here, nes pas?

The message I am receiving here is a marketing message. Maybe the messages were zealousness for a new and desired product, and are honest excitement. I didn't say anything till the NO PROFIT post. It was that post that made this thread go kinda marketing to me.

I'm just telling you the message I received. My reception is based on my perceptions. At "least" one other person spoke up and noticed the same thing. You get three people and it's called a trend.

Here's my "real" problem. I'm watching this thread because I am in the Market for another DAC. I am interested in this one. When I "receive" a message that seems like marketing, it affects the credibility of reviews later on. This seems like common sense to me.
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post #177 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by csroc View Post
I get more and more concerned about that when I see him saying the same things as the audio-gd site.
Well, if you see my attached Paypal receipt, paid on 19th of December as an advance for Compass, hopefully half your concerns will be addressed.

Now to the other half - why I sound like Compass webpage?

Personally, and I again say Personally, I feel Kingwa has been very helpful in taking our concerns and developing Compass, I don't care whether he makes profit or not because it doesn't come to my pocket, neither does it go from mine.. but as an audio lover, if Compass is what it seems to be, it would be the best thing for me..
If you noticed, a few of days ago, someone from the forum was very critical of the English language on Compass webpage, I wanted to return this favor to Kingwa and I asked him, since people have problem understanding his English language, if he wished, I would edit his english for the Compass web page, it was just a sign of appreciation of what he did.
Which does not mean if his Compass is bad, he would not be slammed because my hard earned money has gone into it..

Do you think I did wrong??..
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post #178 of 7724
12/25/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by sandchak View Post
Well, if you see my attached Paypal receipt, paid on 19th of December as an advance for Compass, hopefully half your concerns will be addressed.

Now to the other half - why I sound like Compass webpage?

Personally, and I again say Personally, I feel Kingwa has been very helpful in taking our concerns and developing Compass, I don't care whether he makes profit or not because it doesn't come to my pocket, neither does it go from mine.. but as an audio lover, if Compass is what it seems to be, it would be the best thing for me..
If you noticed, a few of days ago, someone from the forum was very critical of the English language on Compass webpage, I wanted to return this favor to Kingwa and I asked him, since people have problem understanding his English language, if he wished, I would edit his english for the Compass web page, it was just a sign of appreciation of what he did.
Which does not mean if his Compass is bad, he would be slammed because my hard earned money has gone into it..

Do you think I did wrong??..
You sound like a liaison for the company. You are offering to do work for them, either free or otherwise.

That doesn't mean the company is bad or makes bad products. They make awesome products as far as everything i have read.
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post #179 of 7724
12/25/08 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by les_garten View Post
You sound like a liaison for the company. You are offering to do work for them, either free or otherwise.

That doesn't mean the company is bad or makes bad products. They make awesome products as far as everything i have read.
Dont keep passing your judgments on people.. its not good..
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post #180 of 7724
12/25/08 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by sandchak View Post
Dont keep passing your judgments on people.. its not good..
"Do you think I did wrong??.."

You aksed the question and don't like the answer.
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