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post #31 of 270
Originally posted by spaceman
Crocker is a prick!

that he is. I agree with Mike 95 out of 100
post #32 of 270
why do so many people have terrible taste in music?
Because so may people are stupid, ignorant, worthless bums that do nothing but waste natural resources throughout every second of their pathetic existences

On second thought...
post #33 of 270
Originally posted by gloco
Like Falcon pointed out: Peer Pressure for the kids. They gotta own what all the other kids have to fit in. Notice how head-fi has so many people that are, uh, anti-social? Hmmm. I always listened to what I LIKED, i didn't give a rats ass for all that rap and pop **** when i was in Junior High, the worst period of time for any kid who doesn't follow the trends...
This is true, but I was under the impression that most kids just download MP3s...
post #34 of 270
Originally posted by FalconP
Two words: peer pressure. For many people music is not music, but a ticket to social acceptance.
Haha, so true..

If I didn't already know my friends.. Now I listen to stuff like Judy and Mary, and other jpops.. i'm the guy with the weird music taste, and am looked down upon 'cause of it. Heh. Solution? I play it louder. I can understand what you're saying though..
post #35 of 270
You know... the psychology of one's musical tastes always intrigues me. I mean, when you get down to it, aren't all of our tastes based in the murky depths of our psyches?

Anyway, the peer pressure thing is definitely real. I wonder though, if any of us can claim that we are immune. When a friend whose musical taste you respect or whose opinions in general you agree with recommends something to you, you are naturally biased towards liking it. (If I've picked up the language from my psychology student girlfriend, then I believe that is called conformation bias.) It's innevitable.

Another example, if your friends listen to "bad" music and you spend lots of time around your friends, then you might eventually start to think that what they are listening to is good music simply because you have been exposed to it enough. It becomes habitual to you. Perhaps more importantly, it becomes associated with your friends and with the good times that you have together.

I know that this has happened to me in a slight sense with my girlfriend in that different important conversations etc. have occured with eachother during fairly bad music... but now it sounds sort of good to me because it has a positive association. If I approach it intellectually, then I know it is bad... but if I'm not watching myself, I kind of enjoy it.

Conversly, if you want to resist peer-pressure or trends, that can warp your tastes as well. What I mean is that you set up a situation in which you try to do the opposite of those people who you are with. In fact, peer pressure has just as much effect on you as it does on a follower, its just that the outcome is reversed. Those who most resist trends often simply fall into counter trends that are just as limiting as the original trend.

I guess what I'm saying is that music tastes are never formed in a vacuum.
post #36 of 270
Just think how these top 10 "musicians" are just marketing created entities. Heavy MTV play/appearances, magazine articles,
heavy radioplay, TV show appearances, store promotions etc.

You walk into any Best Buy etc and there is large display of top 20 recent releases, they are playing them on store soundsystem etc.........you are literally brainwashed into liking them or thinking they are good, hip etc.

The record execs say it must be good look how many CDs we are selling............you could sell them anything however after that kind of brainwash treatment, he he. (especially young teenagers who are like blank chalkboard looking to be filled in)
post #37 of 270
Originally posted by blip


I guess what I'm saying is that music tastes are never formed in a vacuum.
Good post blip. Psych was one of my majors in college. This would make a good masters thesis.
post #38 of 270
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by MusicJunkie
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't good. Who appointed you arbiter of what is and isn't good music?
I never said that if I dont like it, it isn't good. But you have to admit that there is good and bad music. Even if someone likes Britney Spears, for example, you can still make an argument that the music is bad.

In other words, just because someone likes a particular artist or band, it does not make them good.
post #39 of 270
At one point Mogwai's new album was on the Portland,OR chart. This is a bad week however: the number one single in Portland is Clay Aiken - Bridge Over Troubled Water.
post #40 of 270
I'm 15 and I don't like most popular music. I can name at least 2 other people that are like me. I'm not anti-social either. 95% of the music I listen to is reggae, and it's not Sean Paul dancehall either. Dancehall is only becomming popular cause the dancehall artist either work with hip hop artists or they sing to a hip hop beat and get a very smart PR department to market their music and hip hop. But that is another story. Frankly, I think the popular music is what it is becasue most people are attached to other things besides the music. Like, if it's a female, people consider her looks, her body, her personal life and her music is just a part of it. With men, it's the same, people look at how many women they have, how much money he has, his cars, his houses so on and so forth. Almost all pop music videos have some expensive stuff in it. You gotta show the bling bling if your gonna make the money. Know what I mean?

Then, there's the acceptance factor that was mentioned before. I see it all the time.

O, another thing, there are some teens that aren't as impressinable as some people (ie. grownups) think. I really hate it when older people assume, after finding out that I'm just 15 (I've been mistaken for a college student at New Jersey state before). They assume that I follow everything that comes at me. Although, I do have to say that I like Reggae casue that's all my parents played when I was a baby. I grew up listening to it all the time. You could say I'm just mature beyond my years.
post #41 of 270
Originally posted by Whitebread
Although, I do have to say that I like Reggae casue that's all my parents played when I was a baby. I grew up listening to it all the time.
There's nothing wrong with that in my book. I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons I like metal is that my mother always listened to hard rock stations whenever we were in the car, my whole childhood. It seems like a natural progression to go from Zep and Purple to Priest and Maiden.
post #42 of 270
Originally posted by mojoman
Good post blip. Psych was one of my majors in college. This would make a good masters thesis.
Thanks mojoman... After living with a psych major for a year, I guess I'm starting to think like one...

Something else that is interesting is the role that music plays in identity. The music that one listens to has a wide range of social implications because it puts you into a stereotyped category. People think that the music you listen to says something about who you are. This becomes important when you listen to music with someone else or when you begin to internalize the stereotypes that others apply to your music and, in turn, to yourself.

How this effects an individual varies greatly. Generally it produces resistance to musical forms that do not fit the social signals you are choosing to send. Say, for example, someone who hates rap because of its stereotype of encouraging violence. All of their friends tell them that that is what rap is and, furthermore, that those who listen to rap are encouraging violence. But lets also say that this person's taste really fits with rap. Logically when he or she is exposed to rap that does not encourage violence or even discourages it, he or she should want to listen to it. (i.e. the barrier is removed) But he or she does not because he/she either does not give the music a chance or does not want to send the social signal to others and his/herself that they like rap.
post #43 of 270
Musical perference is doubtless a complex subject and I'm not here to simplify matters, but I'm wondering what is the relationship between musical perference and with our self-image. People want to identfy with someone who, they think, is successful and who they wish to emulate -- for the 'average' teenager, this may mean someone who is rich, slim, flaunts designer labels, parties all the time, or survives gang-wars; for the 'average' grow-up, someone who plays the violin well, writes decent music, or does a lot of charity.

Why I'm bringing it up is that many people get very defensive if their musical taste is questioned or criticized, almost as if they're suffering from a personal attack. My idea is that people may take such criticisms as attacks towards their self-image and aspirations, as if the critics was saying "he is such a fool, and you're a fool too if you want to be like him"

Another interesting thing is the excuses people think up in defense of their music 'idols". In Hong Kong we have truckloads of "talents" who cannot have made an album without a little studio wizardy, and sure enough they suck during live. Their hordes of fans, however, are never short of excuses:

"Oh, he is unwell that day," (Three times in a row?!)

"Of course she can't remember her lyrics, she's been too busy shooting films and TV commercials." (Stick to films and TV commercials then, and please forget about singing.)

"OK she may not be the best, but everyone can see she is improving." (First, I don't like the idea of paying for somebody else's singing tuition; second, I don't see in any way she is improving)

"What is so wrong about making breathing noises like an asthmatic pig? this is his way of showing his emotion!" (WTF!)
post #44 of 270
Here is an interesting aritcle talking about how our music collections reflect our personalities.

post #45 of 270
I'm going to be a junior in high school next year, and whenever I walk through the halls after school I see people sitting there with cheap CD players and the included headphones listening to Top 40 music. All day long the only thing I hear about from people outside of my group of friends (who are only into cultured music and really good, often times older classic movies) is mainstream punk music. I haven't heard of any of this stuff. It's like no one knows what else is out there. And then it hit me that it is because most teenagers are ignorant, and I would say that over 50% of the mainstream radio listeners are people under 25. After that, most people start to listen to classical, jazz, blues, classic rock, etc.

In fact, my parents can't stand to listen to anything pop or rap. Just yesterday I was coming back from a 2 hour drive and my amp ran out of power. Now, I only had brought one 9V battery with me because the total drive time was only 4 hours and the battery in my experience had enough juice for at least five hours. For whatever reason, it went dead, and since I have a NJB3, I only had one CD with me. It was a recording of a Christian funk band, really quite good, that came in the mail that day. There was a small rap segment in one of the songs, and my mom had to skip to the next song after about 5 seconds. A few songs later, there was a guitar solo, and my mom had to turn it off and said it was too much for her. Does this happen to most middle-aged people?

Anyway, back to the matter at hand. It seems that most young people don't realize there is better music (and sound reproduction equipment) out there. I go to a private school with some big money there. It's not like these people can't afford better equipment. All you have to do is look out in the parking lot and you will see kids without jobs are driving much nicer cars than the teachers. Combine ignorance with peer pressure, and you have the recipe for "poor musical taste". I think a lot of you mistake poor musical taste for ignorance. And yes, most of the people I know are music downloading fiends, and even in downloading MP3s, they are ignorant. Most of us here know what bitrate is and what encoding algorithms are best if we are into downloading music, and most of us don't download all that much. My classmates download hundreds and even thousands of MP3s, but they know nothing of sound quality. They just aimlessly click around downloading whatever happens to be playing on the radio at that moment, and they do it on second rate peer-to-peer file sharing software. I can't tell you how many times I have heard my peers heralding their latest expedition on Kazaa. See, it's just ignorance. Personally, I don't download anything except to preview music, which is very rarely. All the music on my player in ripped directly from CDs that I own in uncompressed WAV format.

I think that the reason the Top 40 list sucks is that people only listen to the radio and buy what they hear. Not many of us get onto Amazon or what have you to browse and preview what cultured individuals would consider better artists and only the smallest minority of us come to message boards like Head-Fi to shed insight into the world of music. I believe that society is stuck in a little bubble dome and only a few people have managed to escape it. It all comes back to ignorance.
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