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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by hayste View Post
my thoughts exactly... Pet Sounds is just incredibly moving, I can't really say that about much of The Beatles' stuff, except perhaps the medley on side 2 of Abbey Road.
This is an oft-expressed idea in this thread, and others, but I must confess to being mystified by this idea.

"Girl"
"I've Just Seen A Face"
"I Want You (She's So Heavy)"
"Norwegian Wood"
"Hey Jude"
"She's Leaving Home"
"This Boy"
"You've Really Got a Hold on Me" (Yes, I know, it's a Miracles cover).
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
"Let It Be"

I could go on all day, but I hope you get my point even if I don't list any other of the many obvious choices. These are not emotional songs?

I've been pleasantly surprised to read praise of Pet Sounds that impelled me to re-think the album, and to some extent, the group. This has been a very interesting thread. But the idea that the Beatles were the cold counterparts to the more emotional Beach Boys is something I simply can't accept.
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by DrBenway View Post
This is an oft-expressed idea in this thread, and others, but I must confess to being mystified by this idea.

"Girl"
"I've Just Seen A Face"
"I Want You (She's So Heavy)"
"Norwegian Wood"
"Hey Jude"
"She's Leaving Home"
"This Boy"
"You've Really Got a Hold on Me" (Yes, I know, it's a Miracles cover).
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
"Let It Be"

I could go on all day, but I hope you get my point even if I don't list any other of the many obvious choices. These are not emotional songs?

I've been pleasantly surprised to read praise of Pet Sounds that impelled me to re-think the album, and to some extent, the group. This has been a very interesting thread. But the idea that the Beatles were the cold counterparts to the more emotional Beach Boys is something I simply can't accept.
i understand your taking issue with this, and i agree that The Beatles have many songs that make an emotional connection. In fact, in terms of songs, I would say The Beatles have a broader, if not deeper, emotional repertoire than the Beach Boys.

but that depth is where the Beach Boys win out, especially on Pet Sounds. i think the point many posters are making is that Pet Sounds as a "concept album" integrates a directly emotional and intensely personal context to the album's concept. in fact, that essentially is the concept.

that is, on top of the musical innovation, deft execution and thematic unity there is emotional intensity that arguably only lets up once, with "Sloop John B," which is a track that Capitol Records insisted the group include on the album.

Sgt. Pepper's, on the other hand, while certainly marks an evolutionary advance and is undoubtedly a marvelous album, doesn't hold up as a single artistic whole as well as Pet Sounds, nor is it as revolutionary as the latter.

personally, i am swept away both musically and emotionally by Pet Sounds, while Sgt. Peppers is a great album that serves as a bridge from Revolver to Magical Mystery Tour and the last few Beatles albums.
post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post
Sgt. Pepper's, on the other hand, while certainly marks an evolutionary advance and is undoubtedly a marvelous album, doesn't hold up as a single artistic whole as well as Pet Sounds, nor is it as revolutionary as the latter.
To be honest with you, I wouln't have entertained this idea before participating in this thread. But the articulate passion expressed here pretty much dooms me (in a good way) to some quality time with Pet Sounds.

So if I want to compare Sgt. Pepper with Pet Sounds can someone recommend a CD release that would be appropriate? My copy of Sgt Pepper is on vinyl, so I would be looking for a version of Pet Sounds that is as un-"modernized" as possible. Or is that the right approach?
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by DrBenway View Post
To be honest with you, I wouln't have entertained this idea before participating in this thread. But the articulate passion expressed here pretty much dooms me (in a good way) to some quality time with Pet Sounds.

So if I want to compare Sgt. Pepper with Pet Sounds can someone recommend a CD release that would be appropriate? My copy of Sgt Pepper is on vinyl, so I would be looking for a version of Pet Sounds that is as un-"modernized" as possible. Or is that the right approach?
IMHO (and of course others may disagree), don't let the release cloud the music in a comparison like this... superior sonics might cloud your judgment.

seriously though, purists will tell you that the original mono mix of Pet Sounds is the way to go, although i'm quite fond of the remastered stereo version as well. the DVD-A release sounds quite nice.
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post
seriously though, purists will tell you that the original mono mix of Pet Sounds is the way to go, although i'm quite fond of the remastered stereo version as well. the DVD-A release sounds quite nice.

I also prefer the stereo mix of pet sounds. Even though Steve Hoffman does some beautiful things with his mono mix, it's very hard to beat a stereo recording for breathing life into a record.
post #36 of 46

PET SOUNDS IS HEAD & SHOULDERS OVER SGT PEPPERS, AND ANY BEATLES ALBUM FOR THAT MATTER ON EVERY POSSIBLE LEVEL. AND TO THE COMMENTATORS THAT REMARKED THAT THE BEACH BOYS DIDN'T "ROCK" AS MUCH AS THE BEATLES, I DON'T ENVY YOUR IGNORANCE. GET INTO THE MUSIC BEYOND THE SUPERFICIAL LEVEL OF MOST CONSUMERS AND YOU'LL APPRECIATE BRILLIANT MUSIC WHEN YOU HEAR IT!

 

if anyone would like to debate this feel free to email at joshthekook at gmail dot com

post #37 of 46

Sgt. Pepper for me.

post #38 of 46

My vote is Pet Sounds. It resonated more with me.

post #39 of 46

Interesting question. I haven't listened to any Beatles in a while, and although I got Pet Sounds a year or so ago, I'm not sure if I ever actually listened to it or not. So over the next few days, I'll have to do the comparison for myself. Granted, I always did like the Beatles, so I may be a little biased going in....

post #40 of 46

Sgt Pepper L3000.gif

post #41 of 46

The beatles were good, sgt peppers is a classic but the beach boys were phenomenal! and pet sounds is beyond brilliant. Anyone with a REAL appreciation of music of quality or quantity knows that.

post #42 of 46

Well, I just listened to Pet Sounds, and while I can see why people are impressed with it, it didn't really draw me in at all. After it ended, I started Sgt. Pepper,  and now I'm bobbing my head and singing along....so you know where my vote is going. 

post #43 of 46

Both are amazing albums but I prefer Sgt Pepper by a large margin. Every song is amazing in its own right. The album broke new ground in so many ways. I can listen to it over and over.

 

I have read that Pet Sounds was Wilson's reaction (a wonderful, beautiful reaction) to Sgt Peppers. 

 

Michael

post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by mfaoro View Post

Both are amazing albums but I prefer Sgt Pepper by a large margin. Every song is amazing in its own right. The album broke new ground in so many ways. I can listen to it over and over.

 

I have read that Pet Sounds was Wilson's reaction (a wonderful, beautiful reaction) to Sgt Peppers. 

 

Michael

 

You've got that backwards. wink.gif Sgt. Pepper's was a reaction to Pet Sounds. The Beatles' album was a reaction to the Beach Boys album, not the other way around. The Beatles were reacting to the Beach Boys... 

post #45 of 46

Some people don't know:

 

Q: What was Keith Moon of The Who's favorite band?

 

A: The Beach Boys!

 

The Who first found Keith Moon because he was this weird guy in England who was dressing like a Beach Boy. That's what made the other members of The Who notice him.

 

The Beach Boys were a massive influence on the Beatles and the Beatles were listening to Pet Sounds before they made Sgt. Pepper's!  

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