REVIEW: Nuforce NE-7M iPhone IEM vs Denon C700 and Klipsch Image X10 (NE-8 Impressions Added 1/15/09)
May 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM Post #661 of 854
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Originally Posted by hughwi /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have to say that I am still using these (been about 4-5 months now) and they are still in A-1 condition, and for those of you who do not like having to clean the tips by hand, I have found that these NE-7M's are also machine washable! What a bonus!

(Trust me, I found out the hard way, ALWAYS check your Hoodie's pockets before bunging it in the wash!) Having said that, there do not appear to have been any side effects, a slight channel imbalance for the first hour or so, then back to normal, after drying of course!

On a related note, how many hours are you guys managing to get out of your comply t400 tips? Mine seem to get pretty grubby after a couple of days, I am considering cleaning them, but have heard that this has a detrimental effect on the foam and therefore sound quality?



All it takes to clean the Complys is hydrogen peroxide, the standard stuff from the drug store. Let them soak 3-4 minutes while the bubbly action dissolves the grim, squeeze the excess out gently, and let them dry. Like new. DO NOT USE WATER. Didn't mean to shout, but water totally disintegrates the Complys.
 
May 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM Post #662 of 854
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Originally Posted by sonq /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hi Headphoneaddict,

Are these impression between the X10 and NE-7M based on listening through the Predator or Pico amp?

I'm using Pico DAC/Amp and is looking to upgrade my Sony MDR-EX90LP.

I was eyeing the X10 for a full bodied sound but I'm afraid that it may be too fat and bloated sounding. The NE-7M does sounds like a viable alternative but will it be too analytical sounding with the Pico?

I listen mostly to acoustic music, so natural sounding timbre and texture are important to me.

Look forward to your feedback. Thanks.



I have the X10s and had the NE-7M, and a couple of things. I preferred the X10 sound by a wide margin, as it's more balanced than the NuForce phones, which seemed bass-heavy to me, even after burn in. I also could not get a good seal with the silicone flanges, and had to use Comply T400s, and found the NE-7Ms to be too much of a "stuffed" head feeling. With the single flange gels (in your size), the X10s are among the most comfortable phones available, if not the most comfortable.

One word of warning on the X10s, they are very microphonic. I am able to pretty much negate the issue by using a shirt clip (I use the Ety one for the er6i), and also sliding the slider up to my chin. Seems to work.

Of course, the X10s are not iPhone/Touch ready, no mic/clicker, which the NE-7Ms have. But the eventual reason I sold the NE-7Ms is the clicker starting going nuts (just touching it paused the track) and when I got a replacement pair, I just decided I didn't really need them. I have since used my Westone 3s and the Apple Dual Driver IEMs with my Touch 2G.

I don't use an amp with the X10s, but they can improve when I hook them up to the MinboxE+ (as do most of my IEMs).

With acoustic music, the X10s fare well in my view, and other reviewers (Antonyfirst is one) say they are very good for classical music as well, but I am not a major classical music listener.
 
May 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM Post #663 of 854
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Originally Posted by sonq /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hi Headphoneaddict,

Are these impression between the X10 and NE-7M based on listening through the Predator or Pico amp?

I'm using Pico DAC/Amp and is looking to upgrade my Sony MDR-EX90LP.

I was eyeing the X10 for a full bodied sound but I'm afraid that it may be too fat and bloated sounding. The NE-7M does sounds like a viable alternative but will it be too analytical sounding with the Pico?

I listen mostly to acoustic music, so natural sounding timbre and texture are important to me.

Look forward to your feedback. Thanks.



I used several amps, and would have to look at my notes or the review to see which ones. I know I used the Predator, Pico and Headsix for sure, and one of my iBasso that I had at the time. As well as my iPhone 3G unamped.

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Originally Posted by tstarn06 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have the X10s and had the NE-7M, and a couple of things. I preferred the X10 sound by a wide margin, as it's more balanced than the NuForce phones, which seemed bass-heavy to me, even after burn in. I also could not get a good seal with the silicone flanges, and had to use Comply T400s, and found the NE-7Ms to be too much of a "stuffed" head feeling. With the single flange gels (in your size), the X10s are among the most comfortable phones available, if not the most comfortable.

One word of warning on the X10s, they are very microphonic. I am able to pretty much negate the issue by using a shirt clip (I use the Ety one for the er6i), and also sliding the slider up to my chin. Seems to work.

Of course, the X10s are not iPhone/Touch ready, no mic/clicker, which the NE-7Ms have. But the eventual reason I sold the NE-7Ms is the clicker starting going nuts (just touching it paused the track) and when I got a replacement pair, I just decided I didn't really need them. I have since used my Westone 3s and the Apple Dual Driver IEMs with my Touch 2G.

I don't use an amp with the X10s, but they can improve when I hook them up to the MinboxE+ (as do most of my IEMs).

With acoustic music, the X10s fare well in my view, and other reviewers (Antonyfirst is one) say they are very good for classical music as well, but I am not a major classical music listener.



I liked the X10 more by a small margin, mostly for the extra transparency and detail, but not the upper bass/ lower mids hump. Too bad you didn't get to try the NE-7M with Shure E2c black silicone tips.
 
May 5, 2009 at 6:43 PM Post #664 of 854
Yeah, that might have made the difference, though my concern also was durability, and in the end, I didn't really NEED them (trying to simplify as it turns out). So I am selling the Senn IE7s too, and sticking with W3s, PFEs and ADDIEMs (with X10s around for my wife, and sometimes me). My fire for collecting all sorts of stuff is starting to wane.
 
May 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM Post #665 of 854
Hey guys. I have been using the Comply tips and love their sound but I have just ordered the Shure e2c tips to compare as the Comply's are only missing some top end sparkle. Out of curiosity, how long do these tips last with daily use? I am sure it is much longer than foams but being an IEM newbie I was curious as to how long? Do they start to tear apart?
 
May 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM Post #667 of 854
I thought as much, being made out of silicone, but then as I was searching for the Shure tips I was seeing packs of 5 and 10 pairs! Thanks for answering a silly question.
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May 6, 2009 at 6:36 AM Post #668 of 854
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I liked the X10 more by a small margin, mostly for the extra transparency and detail, but not the upper bass/ lower mids hump. Too bad you didn't get to try the NE-7M with Shure E2c black silicone tips.


What are your thoughts on the soundstage (headstage) of the NE-7? As oarnura pointed out a long time ago and I also hear, the biggest weakness of the NE-7 is the lack of soundstage depth front to back. Other than that, IMO they would compare well with the ADDIEM and PFE (although less detailed and a little less natural sounding treble).

I have not tried the E2c tips, but have tried 12 different tips on them and it is a close call between standard silicon and bi-flange (NuForce just sent me some), as the bass is slightly more controlled with the bi-flange, but easier insert with the single, and I use them for my hands free, where I do insert/remove a lot.
 
May 6, 2009 at 7:28 AM Post #669 of 854
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Originally Posted by average_joe /img/forum/go_quote.gif
What are your thoughts on the soundstage (headstage) of the NE-7? As oarnura pointed out a long time ago and I also hear, the biggest weakness of the NE-7 is the lack of soundstage depth front to back. Other than that, IMO they would compare well with the ADDIEM and PFE (although less detailed and a little less natural sounding treble).

I have not tried the E2c tips, but have tried 12 different tips on them and it is a close call between standard silicon and bi-flange (NuForce just sent me some), as the bass is slightly more controlled with the bi-flange, but easier insert with the single, and I use them for my hands free, where I do insert/remove a lot.



I have not been struck by a lack of depth, but I didn't pay particular attention to whether they had that going for them or not, so I don't recall off the top of my head. I keep them in my car when when I need a hands free driving or if I forget my Phonak or Westone 3 when I am out an about, so I can't grab them and check right now. Still, I haven't noticed that area lacking.
 
May 6, 2009 at 7:37 AM Post #670 of 854
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have not been struck by a lack of depth, but I didn't pay particular attention to whether they had that going for them or not, so I don't recall off the top of my head. I keep them in my car when when I need a hands free driving or if I forget my Phonak or Westone 3 when I am out an about, so I can't grab them and check right now. Still, I haven't noticed that area lacking.


I didn't really notice it until after oarnura pointed it out when I was describing my listening experience to the virtual barber shop. Now I notice it compared to all my other headphones when there is a song with a good front-back stage.

And if you do notice it, how do the NE-8s compare in the 3D stage?
 
May 6, 2009 at 7:46 AM Post #671 of 854
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Originally Posted by average_joe /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I didn't really notice it until after oarnura pointed it out when I was describing my listening experience to the virtual barber shop. Now I notice it compared to all my other headphones when there is a song with a good front-back stage.

And if you do notice it, how do the NE-8s compare in the 3D stage?



I may have commented on that when I added my NE-8 impressions here (link in the 1st post). I would have to go look myself. My 11 yr old son has taken over the NE-8, and my 13 yr old daughter has taken over the RE2, so I don't get to compare them much anymore.
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May 6, 2009 at 7:51 AM Post #672 of 854
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I may have commented on that when I added my NE-8 impressions here (link in the 1st post). I would have to go look myself. My 11 yr old son has taken over the NE-8, and my 13 yr old daughter has taken over the RE2, so I don't get to compare them much anymore.
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No problem, I personally am more interested in the NE-7 depth of stage. I really like the NE-7 and they are my workout IEM and hands free device since my bluetooth went missing, but for standard listening, the lack of depth I hear kinda bugs me (compared to more expensive IEMs).

Someone in another thread asked how the stage compared between the NE-8 and NE-7 among other IEMs, so if you knew, great. And as stated many times before, you have lucky kids
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May 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM Post #673 of 854
Hi Tstarn & Larry,

Thanks for your feedback.

Managed to briefly try out the X10 on someone's iPod this morning. Strong and robust sound but the recording quality is not great, so vocal sounded a bit harsh. I'll have to bring my notebook and Pico to try it out the next time.

My main rig consist of Harbeth speakers which are warm and full bodied but images well; sounds like a cross between the X10 and NE-7M, maybe I'll end up with both.
 
May 6, 2009 at 11:11 PM Post #674 of 854
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Originally Posted by average_joe /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I have not tried the E2c tips, but have tried 12 different tips on them and it is a close call between standard silicon and bi-flange (NuForce just sent me some), as the bass is slightly more controlled with the bi-flange, but easier insert with the single, and I use them for my hands free, where I do insert/remove a lot.



Do you mind me asking how you got NuForce to send you the bi-flange tips?
 
May 7, 2009 at 6:41 AM Post #675 of 854
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Originally Posted by InspireD /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Do you mind me asking how you got NuForce to send you the bi-flange tips?


I opened a ticket with NuForce because something got on the NE-7 that took off the finish and I was trying to figure out the best color match so I can paint it. And I figured I would ask to buy some large silicon tips at the same time as I had a near lost tip scare and the ebay tips I bought are too flimsy. I also asked for the foam tips that some people said they got with their NE-7 but didn't come with mine.

They said they were out of the foam, but would send me the silicon tips free, so of course I said OK. I thought I would get one pair of large silicon tips but ended up getting a whole bunch of tips, including the bi-flange I didn't even know they had. Although the bi-flange are exactly the same as these I got from ebay.
 

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