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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
maybe he's on about online reviews, ive never seen the e500 receive anything lower than a 8/10 and thats damn good, the e500 isnt given enough respect for that, and those that own the se530 and enjoy them does agree the se530 offers the quality bass they want.

im not agreeing with his statement, just saying he may be reffering to online reviews not just head fi opinions
I don't doubt its bass likely to be very good. Any IEM is a very strong statement. I bet I have heard cleaner bass from my own IEM.

Online reviews are a little iffy, because they are hard to compare at that price range and the lack of research about alternatives probably attributed to the smaller consumer base at that level of cost for IEMs. Shure is fairly high profile compared to Ultimate Ears thanks to Apple. That is also one of the main reasons that the Bose headphones are considered a standard, though Shure definitely does not seem to be in the overvalued category for the SE530 (don't know about the rest of the IEM family though).

PS. Sorry to help hijack the thread, I regret it now. Continue the topic please.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by manaox2 View Post
I don't doubt its bass likely to be very good. Any IEM is a very strong statement. I bet I have heard cleaner bass from my own IEM.

Online reviews are a little iffy, because they are hard to compare at that price range and the lack of research about alternatives probably attributed to the smaller consumer base at that level of cost for IEMs. Shure is fairly high profile compared to Ultimate Ears thanks to Apple. That is also one of the main reasons that the Bose headphones are considered a standard, though Shure definitely does not seem to be in the overvalued category for the SE530 (don't know about the rest of the IEM family though).
maybe its a regional thing as well. i don't see Bose being as feircely marketed in the UK, as in the U.S. I feel the UK is swamped by Philips and Sony.

I find it hard to give a review unless it's in comparison with something else, for example my comparison with the UE and Shure highs. In isolation I wouldn't have rated the Shure's highs, in comparison they're pretty good. few of us write reviews or comment for commercial purposes, that's why i like open and honest reviews here. yet i've left negative comments on variousw sites, and none of them get published.

I've never heard anyone think that Bose is the satndard in the UK. I think people might be more aware of Bose than ....say UE or westone, but if companies don't get the messege out there, how can people know any different?
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by captian73 View Post
maybe its a regional thing as well. i don't see Bose being as feircely marketed in the UK, as in the U.S. I feel the UK is swamped by Philips and Sony.

I find it hard to give a review unless it's in comparison with something else, for example my comparison with the UE and Shure highs. In isolation I wouldn't have rated the Shure's highs, in comparison they're pretty good. few of us write reviews or comment for commercial purposes, that's why i like open and honest reviews here. yet i've left negative comments on variousw sites, and none of them get published.

I've never heard anyone think that Bose is the satndard in the UK. I think people might be more aware of Bose than ....say UE or westone, but if companies don't get the messege out there, how can people know any different?

my first experience with high end IEM's was unreal. i went into my local comet store and i picked up some bose triport IE's. i went to pay for them thinking these are going to be great and i asked the clerk to explain to me what makes them so good...he said these exact words...''Its bose...theres nothing else to say, bose is the biggest name in the industry and you cant get better as far as audio quality goes''.

i took them home, blasted up some reviews on my laptop very excited and let me tell you...i sat down for 30 mins reading reviews and walked back into that store thinking what a ******* plick!!

i asked for my money back which they gave me a real hard time about and i went and brought some super fi 5 pro's from my local apple store. from there i went up and up and never looked at a bose product ever since. never looked that guy in the face again either, i mean what a jerk how could i fall for that, ok i forgive myself i was a newb.

so a lesson to all the newbs out there...trial and error, trial and error.

edit: sorry head fi folk!! i realised i just swore lol oops.
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by manaox2 View Post
I bet I have heard cleaner bass from my own IEM.
I've seen reviews comparing UE-11s and SE530s and the opinions vary regarding the bass performance of the two. Suffice it to say both are certainly top quality.

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Shure is fairly high profile compared to Ultimate Ears thanks to Apple.
Probably true for younger buyers. But Shure was a well known name in audio for a long time before UE arrived on the scene.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
my first experience with high end IEM's was unreal. i went into my local comet store and i picked up some bose triport IE's. i went to pay for them thinking these are going to be great and i asked the clerk to explain to me what makes them so good...he said these exact words...''Its bose...theres nothing else to say, bose is the biggest name in the industry and you cant get better as far as audio quality goes''.

i took them home, blasted up some reviews on my laptop very excited and let me tell you...i sat down for 30 mins reading reviews and walked back into that store thinking what a ******* plick!!

i asked for my money back which they gave me a real hard time about and i went and brought some super fi 5 pro's from my local apple store. from there i went up and up and never looked at a bose product ever since. never looked that guy in the face again either, i mean what a jerk how could i fall for that, ok i forgive myself i was a newb.

so a lesson to all the newbs out there...trial and error, trial and error.

edit: sorry head fi folk!! i realised i just swore lol oops.
well, i like my triport AE's and OE's but that's a conversation for another time. I don't have any time for the IE's though. however much i like them I realise that Bose isn't the be all and end all. obviously this guy didn't have a clue, just like the idiot who slated B&O, then when i asked him: when was the last time you heard a B&O system? he looked at his shoes. These are the kind of .... nice people who just need a bit of educating, like me with the Shure's today.

had someone said, "musicians use these because..." "its not all about the bass at this level" then I would never have started this thread. Instead i'm an art student, who has an opinion. i guess i'm hearing the shure's from a cusummer point of view, not fully understanding what professionals are looking for.

and BTW, i don't think B&O are the be all and end all either. the BEosound 1 catered for my portable needs.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by Arjisme View Post
I've seen reviews comparing UE-11s and SE530s and the opinions vary regarding the bass performance of the two. Suffice it to say both are certainly top quality.
I agree. I think it was the word "clearer" and "general consensus" that triggered my reaction.

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Originally Posted by Arjisme View Post
Probably true for younger buyers. But Shure was a well known name in audio for a long time before UE arrived on the scene.
Shure introduced their first IEM as a wireless system for artists with the PCM-600 system although its name in Microphones and other audio products long proceeded that.

Ultimate Ears began producing and selling the UE-5 pro in 1995. It was 2004 when the UE-7, UE-10 and their consumer line came out. It was also 2004 when Shure focused on an consumer IEM line-up (E Series). The E500 (SE530) did not come out until 2006 and the Triple.fi followed in 2007.

So, your definitely right about Shure being a top name in audio since the 1920s. Although in the consumer IEM world, UE and Shure started within a gunshot of each other.
post #37 of 41
Unfortunate moment in time. Mohandas.

Dave
post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post
I didn't know there were awards for being facetious. Please enlighten us as to your IEMs sir? The UE-11 is custom fit and this was for universal IEMs. I've heard the triple fi, lower shure models, and read quite a bit on head-fi. I don't go on outside reviews but I do go on the idea that when I was writing that the se530 was sticking out my ear. Please enlighten us as to a universal fit IEM that has cleaner, punchier, more abundant bass than the 530.

Maybe I shouldn't say general consensus as I haven't heard from everyone, and maybe I should take out the word any so as to not offend. Possibly I should also teach you to read as the word was cleaner, BTW. the n is next to the m on the keyboard, the r is next to the t so you don't mix it up next time. Next up maybe we should force cloture on every topic so as to not enact our right to speak and not voice opinions from others that have expressed them, nor our own; completely ending the dissemination of knowledge.

Ah, and how do you find the nerve to comment on something you haven't heard? You don't see me out there stating HD650 has bad bass when I haven't even heard it. Get a clue.

Dave
Oh my.
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by uraflit View Post
Oh my.
Sorry, I dislike being flamed. Please forgive my impatience, anger, and use of syntax.

Back to the OP!

Dave
post #40 of 41
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I have to say that i've started out as the SE110 greatest cynic and now i'm becoming their biggest fan. The bass is coming through nicely, and to be honest, I'm starting to enjoy them. I don't know whether I give them up over the UM1's though. They do seem to come unstuck with the wrong kind of music, but the more i listen, to what i feel is better suited to them, the more i enjoy them.

the westones are very lightweight in the bass, but i feel the midrange in the SE110 comes through a tad stronger than i'd want a at times. The Westones feel more consistent across different types of music.

After watching Rush Hour 3, I downloaded Roberta Flack & Donny Hathaway - The Closer I Get to You ( the song that Chris Rock sings). and with the shures, the bass is delightful, but not overpowering. The Wesontes have the edge over the SE110's though. The separation is better with the UM1's.

Laugh at my musical taste if you want, but I feel the way that the Shure's plays vocal music is very good. Getting the SE110 to fit right is a bit more of a struggle, than with the UM1's. The UM1 cable is far more comfy.

Final thoughts: For a broader range of music, the UM1's are more consistent and versatile. at times, the Shure's come unstuck. For a beginning pair of Shure's, I still say that they are very good. O.K. the Shure faithful don't like the SE110, but for me, I think they're worth the money. Once I change my POV of coming from a consumer frame of mind, to understanding (being educated) on what to listen for, I can see Shure's case.

To The Shure Faithful: Please don't slag these off too much, they're O.K.really.

I'm still thinking of getting the UM3's though. i find The comfort and fitting is better with the UM1's. 10 minute into the se110 (now) i want to rip them off my head., If only they didn't sound so good, but the wire is starting to hurt right now.

Playing Alicia Keys & Jack White - Another Way to Die,,the Shure's struggle with the chorus, compare to the UM1's. the verse is stunning, but complex pieces, the SE110's are still giving in too easily. Anyway, I still like them. Sit back, relax and respect them, and the Shure's will perform.

I';m gonna listen to Roberta again!
post #41 of 41
well i think the 110's are alright but given the usual cost difference between them and the 210's its a much better idea to spend the fraction extra and get the 210's
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