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mate!!! that one of the most ridiculous statements I think i've ever heard on here; even from someone who clearly hasn't tried either the SE530 OR triple.fi. To judge the top IEM from a company by their lowest end product is bordering on insane. You cant buy something 1/5th of the price with 1/3 of the drivers based on the reviews on the flagship product. i've never tried the 110 but I own the SE530 and used to own the triples. Both of these IEMs are very good, they just have different presentations but the 110 is right at the botom, dont you bother to read any specs on a product before you buy it??? single armature IEM's cant hope to be a full range driver, their design doesnt allow that, unlike some dynamic driver IEM's that can change their shape accordingly to put out different frequencies, armature drivers are tuned to a certain frequency range; but they are more accurate at portaying said frequency range than dynamic are. thats why they need 2-3 drivers to cover it all. with the right source the SE530 and triple.fi can put out serious bass; hell with a 2gb shuffle my SE530 puts out serious bass, the shures have better texture and quantity and the UE having better extension. get some education/experience; hell even just try one or both of them before making such a clueless statement. Shure havent 'muted' the bass why do you think they would do that?? do you think its a conspiracy to get you to spend more money on their more expensive products?? oh that right they dont have any bass either; I forgot. the driver just isn't capable of huge bass, accurate bass probably yes (as I said I haven't tried them) but not huge.

when your paying, i'll keep my mouth shut, but when it's my money i'll have my say thank you very much!


for some reason, and its not fitting, because beive it or not, these do fit me very well, for some reason, it just doestn't reproduce the bass line. I wasn't expecting UE bass, but i would at least like to kknow that the bass there.

I doin't have anyhting against shure at all. some say they don't fit well, not my experience. many have problems with cable build quality, not my experience. many say 'where's the bass' i say the same.

i've never heard music with bass lines thqt muted before...never. if that's not your experience then i'm happy for you, but don't have a girlie hissy fit if someone else says different!

and by the way, the bottom of the UE's perform very well and i've owned a few UE's in my time, and they're consistant. are you telling me that Shure's aren't consisitant?
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qusp is right tho, captian73 is a prime example of a person that hasnt got a clue. all you can do is ignore stupid statements like that which are complete gibberish

then educate me!
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then educate me!
ok ill educate you, its simple really, dont judge a manufacturer by its lowest priced product, its priced the lowest because shure believes its the worst they offer. so whats your game exactly?
post #19 of 41
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ok ill educate you, its simple really, dont judge a manufacturer by its lowest priced product, its priced the lowest because shure believes its the worst they offer. so whats your game exactly?

but i judged UE by their lowest price product, and like i said, i've owned a few ue's in my time, and they're consistant.

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its priced the lowest because shure believes its the worst they offer. so whats your game exactly?
then why sell it? what's my game?
post #20 of 41
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Originally Posted by captian73 View Post

when your paying, i'll keep my mouth shut, but when it's my money i'll have my say thank you very much!

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nobody is saying you cant have an opinion, but its silly to judge a manufacturer by the lowest priced product it makes. i mean come on if you want booming uncontrolled bass go cheap.

bear in mind the main word there is uncontrolled... most high end earphones (ue10, triple fi, se530, livewires etc etc etc) dont have banging basslines, this is because they are made by musicians with input from artists and instrumentalists, bass needs to be controlled so the other frequencies come through nice and clear. so if you find the se110 not very bassy this isnt a bad thing about the phones, its just not what your after, so try a higher end model or a cheaper set of dynamics because the triple fi and similar phones dont sound to me like they will satisfy you.
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but i judged UE by their lowest price product, and like i said, i've owned a few ue's in my time, and they're consistant.
yeh but UE's lowest price product again is its lowest priced product for a reason. if you think high end armature driver earphones are going to give you the banging bass a cheap dynamic driver earphone will give you then you have a shock coming to you lad because its not about banging bass in the music industry its about control and quality.
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
nobody is saying you cant have an opinion, but its silly to judge a manufacturer by the lowest priced product it makes. i mean come on if you want booming uncontrolled bass go cheap.

bear in mind the main word there is uncontrolled... most high end earphones (ue10, triple fi, se530, livewires etc etc etc) dont have banging basslines, this is because they are made by musicians with input from artists and instrumentalists, bass needs to be controlled so the other frequencies come through nice and clear. so if you find the se110 not very bassy this isnt a bad thing about the phones, its just not what your after, so try a higher end model or a cheaper set of dynamics because the triple fi and similar phones dont sound to me like they will satisfy you.
now you're educating me, this is the kind of good response that i like, regardless of whether we agree, you're helping me to look at things in a different light, keep it coming.

so as a comsumer, are these not for me?

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because the triple fi and similar phones dont sound to me like they will satisfy you
what high end ...non musician IEM's would you suggest?

i guess that i should take a kinder view on them, look at them from a different POV.






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post #23 of 41
go check out the jvc marshmallows (aka ha-fx33) and tell us if you like the bass or not.

if it doesn't give enough bass, i dont think any IEM will give you enough bass. it can be found for ~$10 most places.
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now you're educating me, this is the kind of good response that i like, regardless of whether we agree, you're helping me to look at things in a different light, keep it coming.

so as a comsumer, are these not for me?



what high end ...non musician IEM's would you suggest?

i guess that i should take a kinder view on them, look at them from a different POV.






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lol i dont mean any disrespect. just dont count alot of good earphones out based on the poorest pair they make.

something like a nice set of denons or atrio's may suit you, they are not musicians earphones in any way but are certainly made to a good high standard and both offer good deep bass without hurting other frequencies. by denons i mean c551 or c751. the c551 is certainly about the same price as the se110 but should offer a warmer bassier experience. much like the atrio's which are designed to give deep bass response.

if neither of these give you the good quality bass you desire then spend a liitle more and get the UE super fi 5 EB. if this isnt banging your eardrums hard enough then in ears are not for you dude.
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go check out the jvc marshmallows (aka ha-fx33) and tell us if you like the bass or not.

if it doesn't give enough bass, i dont think any IEM will give you enough bass. it can be found for ~$10 most places.
comedian in the house!


the subject of bass. i didn't and i'm not looking for great clumps of bass, but i never expected the bass to be so absent compared to what i've experienced before even from the super.fi's which are a bit more high end than the marshmelows you crack me up uraflit, d'you do stand up as well?
post #26 of 41
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lol i dont mean any disrespect. just dont count alot of good earphones out based on the poorest pair they make.

something like a nice set of denons or atrio's may suit you, they are not musicians earphones in any way but are certainly made to a good high standard and both offer good deep bass without hurting other frequencies. by denons i mean c551 or c751. the c551 is certainly about the same price as the se110 but should offer a warmer bassier experience. much like the atrio's which are designed to give deep bass response.

if neither of these give you the good quality bass you desire then spend a liitle more and get the UE super fi 5 EB. if this isnt banging your eardrums hard enough then in ears are not for you dude.
thanks for your help jinx20001. i guess what i'm saying is that the shure's are a bit of a culture shock to me. i was never looking for gut-thumping bass, i wanted to try something new. after you're input, i can better understand what to hear for.

I do have say that at regular listening levels, the Shure se110's are far from the worst IEM's i've tried. the fit for me personally is very good. the olives are superb.

i guess i'm looking for a more portable version of my hd650's they don't fit im my pocket all that well

i've tried the 5 eb's before, and couldn't get on with them.

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then you have a shock coming to you lad because its not about banging bass in the music industry its about control and quality.
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this is because they are made by musicians with input from artists and instrumentalists, bass needs to be controlled so the other frequencies come through nice and clear.
understood. would you suggest the UM2's. i 've got a pair of UM 1's.
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by captian73 View Post
thanks for your help jinx20001. i guess what i'm saying is that the shure's are a bit of a culture shock to me. i was never looking for gut-thumping bass, i wanted to try something new. after you're input, i can better understand what to hear for.

I do have say that at regular listening levels, the Shure se110's are far from the worst IEM's i've tried. the fit for me personally is very good. the olives are superb.

i guess i'm looking for a more portable version of my hd650's they don't fit im my pocket all that well

i've tried the 5 eb's before, and couldn't get on with them.
like i said i was never looking for banging bass, i always thought that bass was an integeral part of music.
i couldnt agree more mate, i think music without bass is just sound not actually music, so much is built on top of the bassline, take reggae for example, i like alot of it and without the bass it would be nothing, the rythms are simply heartwarming. and what do i enjoy my reggae on...my se530's. reggae simpy shines on them, thats why i got a little arsey when you dismissed the whole shure range based on the worst of the bunch lol.

but yeh im like you, i am a little bit of a basshead but when you spend time with high end earphones you start realising what a good quality sound is rather than bang and volume. i still consider myself a basshead because i believe the bass is where all of the emotion is. bass and vocals is very important to me, and the shure se530's deliever the bass and vocals upfront...i guess thats why im a bit of a fanboy for them, and not ashamed to be. ive never been happier and until something delievers the same quality vocals bass and smoooooth highs in a package im not budging from them
post #28 of 41
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i am a little bit of a basshead but when you spend time with high end earphones you start realising what a good quality sound is rather than bang and volume
that's where i want to end up. I enjoy my wetones. like i said, my HD650's aren't that portable. i need to get out of the bass head way of thinking, and try hearing things in a different way.

going from the metro's to the SE's i thought the highs were a tad rolled off. however, switching back to the metro's i realised that the highs on the shure's were very good. don't be too hard on the SE 110, i don't think they're that bad. now that you've explain, how they should be heard, i understand just how good they are. The UE's ... i feel get you invovled a bit more. That's not to damm the SE110's with faint praise.

i feel that the shure's should be treated with a bit of reverance, where the UE's you could take out for a pint and have a laugh with
post #29 of 41
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General consensus, myself included is that the 530s have the most clean bass of any IEM right now.
I didn't know there was a Census taking place. Did it include everyone or only those who have heard every IEM? Does every IEM include customs or only universal?

I haven't even heard the SE530, though I would strongly disagree with that statement.
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I didn't know there was a Census taking place. Did it include everyone or only those who have heard every IEM? Does every IEM include customs or only universal?

I haven't even heard the SE530, though I would strongly disagree with that statement.
maybe he's on about online reviews, ive never seen the e500 receive anything lower than a 8/10 and thats damn good, the e500 isnt given enough respect for that, and those that own the se530 and enjoy them does agree the se530 offers the quality bass they want.

im not agreeing with his statement, just saying he may be reffering to online reviews not just head fi opinions
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