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post #841 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Tyson
Got in the MTT Mahler 9th a couple of days ago.

Gentlemen, we have a reference.

Finally someone does it right, gets the full message of the music and knows exactly when to pour on the emotion and when to hold back with a little reticence. And all in spectacular sound. How someone can play the music this slowly and sustain the intensity for this long is amazing to me. Even though he plays a lot of it fairly slowly, he never sounds like he's dawdling, or stuck, or killing time, it still moves along and flows very well. Great stuff.
Just received mine today, along with the Rattle 8 and Herreweghe Missa Solemnis. I guess I'm going to be busy for a while!
post #842 of 3714
Very curious to hear your impressions
post #843 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Masonjar
I'll have to look and see if Mahler actually conducted the 9th himself. I don't remember reading if he did or didn't.
-jar
I may need more research here......looks like Walter was entrusted by Mahler to give premeir performance of 9th in 1912, and the EMI 1938 version was first ever recording done on 78 RPM records (can you imagine how many 78 records it would take to fit complete 9th!) So he had first hand knowledge of Mahler's intentions.

The point I was making is that long ago seems that 9th was played at much faster tempo than today.
post #844 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I may need more research here......looks like Walter was entrusted by Mahler to give premeir performance of 9th in 1912, and the EMI 1938 version was first ever recording done on 78 RPM records (can you imagine how many 78 records it would take to fit complete 9th!) So he had first hand knowledge of Mahler's intentions.

The point I was making is that long ago seems that 9th was played at much faster tempo than today.
I know there was one symphony that Mahler didn't get to hear performed in his lifetime (was it the 7th?).. can you imagine what it must have been like for him? I mean, I'm sure he had a "sound" in his head of what he knew it would sound like, but still.. to never actually hear it peformed, I'm sure it must have brought him much sadness.

My friend had the Mahler 5th on 78's, we used to listen to it!

-jar
post #845 of 3714
I'm really glad Tower had that sale and some of you guys are finally getting to hear one of the MTT Mahler recordings. Now you can hear what I've been raving about for all this time and hopefully decide I wasn't crazy after all.

-Jay
post #846 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Masonjar
I know there was one symphony that Mahler didn't get to hear performed in his lifetime (was it the 7th?).. can you imagine what it must have been like for him? I mean, I'm sure he had a "sound" in his head of what he knew it would sound like, but still.. to never actually hear it peformed, I'm sure it must have brought him much sadness.

My friend had the Mahler 5th on 78's, we used to listen to it!

-jar
I believe, and I may be mistaken, that Bruno Walter was chosen by Mahler to conduct the 9th Symphony. It had its premiere in June of 1912, 13 months after Mahler's death. If you think that's tragic, imagine Beethoven, who went deaf at the height of his creative powers! Beethoven at least knew that his works were widely recognized and applauded, while Mahler,who was greeted with loud booing and critical scorn for the 4th Symphony and others, never could be sure exactly what reception his works would receive.
post #847 of 3714
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Originally Posted by JayG
I'm really glad Tower had that sale and some of you guys are finally getting to hear one of the MTT Mahler recordings. Now you can hear what I've been raving about for all this time and hopefully decide I wasn't crazy after all.

-Jay
I'm going to have to pick these up, especially since one of my friends when I was a music major plays with the SFO (bass trombone). I have a couple of SFO recordings, and they have been very good.
post #848 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Speaking of Abbado/CSO/DG M2,4
The M2 I do like better than newest DG live version, everything goes quite well up until crucial closing passage. The sound is good, performance passionate and alive......I am thinking to myself this may be candidate for top 5 M2. Then surprisingly Abbado pulls in the reigns and gives us a somewhat subdued reflective apocalyptic finale, I am puzzled, it is like they secretly put in another conductor for last few minutes to finish symphony. So unfortunately this will not make my top 5 M2 simply because the crucial last couple minutes are not done with the overwhelming power/energy needed.
I just listened to one of your top picks (Solti/CSO 1980 Medinah Temple recording) and I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here. I find the Abbado recording to be far superior, as much as I like Solti. The tempii are not that far apart, but I find Solti somewhat rushing or pushing sections that to me are crucial in letting develop without the feeling of being rushed.

Now, the Solti version I have is on LP, and my analog rig is far from SOTA (Thorens table, Sumiko Blue Point), and this being an early London digital, sound was, ermm, bad (bright, very 2D in loud passages). The soloists in the Abbado version are much superior, but that would not cloud the issue for me.

When I last listened to the Abbado (within the last week), I did not feel quite the same as you regarding it being "subdued". Back in my analog only days, I had 2-3 recordings (the two mentioned previously plus Maezel), and I also have the first Kaplan recording on LP (didn't like it as I recall). The Abbado is the one that I always grabbed to listen to.

Just my opinion, and still a great thread!

Chris
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Thread Starter 
Pars
Would like to see your list of best 2-3 performances of each Mahler symphony to see what style Mahler you prefer, also any short commentary appreciated.

Here is another list from a Classics Today reviewer, for the curious:
Mahler list

Bunny
Also would like to see your full official list of best 2-3 works for each symphony......sorry to put you both on the spot
post #850 of 3714
DA,

I will do some serious listening this weekend and try and organize my preferences. That is getting harder and harder to do as I get more and more recordings. I think I'm drowning in cds at this point.
post #851 of 3714
DA,

My list will be a short one. I really only listen to the 2nd, 3rd and 8th and don't own that many recordings (most are on LP). I will try to dig them out this weekend and see what I can put together. It's hard for me to listen to LPs thru phones cuz my preamp gain is a bit low for the MC cart, and headamp has to go almost to max to compensate... I'll see how much Mahler my family will tolerate.

That was an interesting link that you posted, btw. I'm not sure I ever knew that Haitink had done any Mahler (recording). I have some Haitink/Concertgebouw (sp?) Bruckner, which I like alot.
post #852 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pars
That was an interesting link that you posted, btw. I'm not sure I ever knew that Haitink had done any Mahler (recording). I have some Haitink/Concertgebouw (sp?) Bruckner, which I like alot.
Haitink not too popular now, but back in 1970/1980's he was star of Phiilips classical stable with huge number of recordings to compete with the Karajan/DG jaggernaut......he has one or more complete sets of all major orchestral works although many not currently in catalog. Usually his style was very balanced, intellectual and somewhat tempered compared to someone like Bernstein/Solti, or think of him as often similar to Karajan in style

You can get the Haitink/Phillips Mahler set pretty easy new or used:

post #853 of 3714
Looking through my collection I noticed I also have the MTT 7th on the RCA label, conducting the LSO. Forgot I had it I also placed on order the 2nd, the 3rd, and the 6th from his latest series. Hopefully they hold up to the high standard of the 9th (although I'd be VERY suprised if MTT or anyone else ever knocked Klemperer out of the top spot for the 2nd).
post #854 of 3714

MTT 9th technical issues

Something very interesting happened last night while I was listening to the MTT No.9 during the 2nd disc my amp started to shut down (Disc 1 played with no problems). Since the SA5000's were a new addition I immediately switched back to my K1000's and with those it still was shutting down. I switched a number of things and the amp still shut down.

Finally I thought that the only thing that I hadn't switched was the disc. I put another CD in and the system ran for 40 minutes (until I went to bed) without a problem.

I will of course do further troubleshooting tonight, but as of right now my hypothesis is that disc 2 has an inordinate amount of ultrasonic noise that is causing fits with my OTL amp. Tonight I will listen to many discs and see what happens. If my amp only shuts down on disc 2 of MTT No.9 I will change the filter point on my player (currently 100khz) to 50khz and see if that helps.

This problem clearly goes under stranger than fiction.
post #855 of 3714
I had a similar problem with an sacd/hybrid recording that would not load in SACD. I think it has to do with the extra information in the encoded layer, but after stopping and reloading a number of times it finally loaded in SACD.

Meanwhile, I have been spinning M6 of Yoel Levi/Atlanta SO, which will probably not land up as the number one favorite (to say the least). Reading the notes, it gives cautions about not having the volume too loud lest you blow out your ears (or speakers?) with the hammer blows. The disc also has notations of surround sound, dsd, etc, but I don't find it playing on more than 2 channels no matter what format I try, except for simulated surround.
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