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post #826 of 3714
I wasnt going to talk about one of those mahler moments, but then it happened,so i had to....
In Mahler 5,3rd Mov with the slow solo horn just before the violins Pizz. it just haunts me. Genius.
post #827 of 3714
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Sinopoli/DG Double 1,5
Finally got around to this 2CD set which can only be purchased used and is expensive now for reasons detailed below:



Contains a magnificent 5th of great stature and essential for Mahler collectors, but paired with very flawed performance of 1st. The problem with 1st is the glacial pace of first movement, much too slow and languid. Kills any sense of mystery or drama to follow, hard to stay awake with everything in slow motion

Because of this not at all competitive with the best 1sts like Bernstein, Solti, Horenstein, Kubelik etc. The 5th by contrast is an energetic powerhouse, very Bernsteinesque with its glorious excess and daring extremes, Sinopoli takes it to the limit with an electric performance. The sound quality here is quite impressive with huge soundstage, so overall a match for any version I have heard, and an essential 5th.

The Bernstein/DG Panorama 1,5 is a better 2CD set overall of these works, because both performances are near the best available by any conductor.

Someone here mentioned this CD long time ago..........I wonder if they had the same impressions?
post #828 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Sinopoli/DG Double 1,5
Finally got around to this 2CD set which can only be purchased used and is expensive now for reasons detailed below:



Contains a magnificent 5th of great stature and essential for Mahler collectors, but paired with very flawed performance of 1st. The problem with 1st is the glacial pace of first movement, much too slow and languid. Kills any sense of mystery or drama to follow, hard to stay awake with everything in slow motion

Because of this not at all competitive with the best 1sts like Bernstein, Solti, Horenstein, Kubelik etc. The 5th by contrast is an energetic powerhouse, very Bernsteinesque with its glorious excess and daring extremes, Sinopoli takes it to the limit with an electric performance. The sound quality here is quite impressive with huge soundstage, so overall a match for any version I have heard, and an essential 5th.

The Bernstein/DG Panorama 1,5 is a better 2CD set overall of these works, because both performances are near the best available by any conductor.

Someone here mentioned this CD long time ago..........I wonder if they had the same impressions?
The Sinopoli 5th was the first version of the 5th I bought on CD. I have the original issue, I must have bought it sometime around 1985/1986 I think. It was pretty new at the time. I bought it based on a review I read in Stereo Review, or was it High Fidelity. I can't remember. At the time, my friend had Solti's 5th on cd. I think at this point these were the only two versions that we had heard. I like Solti's newer performance better. The old one sounds rushed to me. I think Sinopoli's 5th still ranks among the best, though as I have pointed out before Sinopoli tends to add his own vocal embelishments here and there.. esp. apparent when listening through headphones. But yea, I love the huge sound, I love the pacing, he seem to pay special attention to every little detail. I wonder how your remaster compares to my original. I can't really say there's anything obviously wrong with the original recording quality, except to say that it sounds digital. But, just about all digital recordings from the 80's have that digital sound. But it does sound a lot softer than a lot of other digital recordings from that era. The Mahler recordings that Tennstedt did on EMI sound pretty good, but they're just a tad bit harsh as compared to the Sinopoli DG recordings. The Slatkin 2nd on Telarc sounds great, but its lost some of the life it had with me over the years. Now its sounds kind of sterile compared to what other companies like BMG and some of the others did in the 90's.. I think the sound London got with the Solti Mahler 1st is one of the best sounds of the early 80's digital era, even better than DG got with the Sinopoli 5th, it just sounds sweeter, more immediate. That Sinopoli recording is kind of in a world of its own. I've never heard anything quite like it.. I've always wanted to track down other recordings done in that hall (The Kristuskirche or something like that..).

Oh, and I've never heard Sinopoli's 1st, so I have no comment on that one..

-jar
post #829 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
It wasn't when I ordered it today! I also ordered the Rattle M8 at the same price.

Edit: If you call them, I'll bet they give you the reduced price. Sales usually last until midnight.
Let us know how that Rattle M8 is, I am in the amrket for a good M8. A friend is sending along a copy of the Horenstein M8 on BBC Legends, he hated it.

Scott
post #830 of 3714
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Kubelik/Audite 5,7,9
I have to admit that Hurwitz of Classics Today was right about these live performances, all three very fine if not quite reference level performances. The sound is also very good for live and crowd noise is very low and not a factor, don't have studio versions to compare but conventional wisdom is that these are a bit more vibrant with added tension of live event recorded on the fly.

I would not add any of these to my recent list of 3 best versions Mahler individual symphonies.........but would probably be listed if expanded to best 4-5 versions. Very happy with these and you can buy without reservation if looking for additional quality versions to add.




The List in order of preference:
1)Bernstein/DG + Horenstein/Unicorn + Solti/Decca Legends
2)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/CSO/London + Rattle/EMI
3)Horenstein/Unicorn (Brilliant Classics) + Bernstein/Sony
4)Szell/Sony + Bernstein/DG + Reiner/RCA
5)Bernstein/DG + Sinopoli/DG + Barbirolli/EMI GROTC
6)Mitropoulos/Great Conductors 20th + Bernstein/Sony + Szell/Sony
7)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/London + Abbado/CSO/DG
8)Horenstein/BBC Legends + Solti/Decca Legends + (new Kent Nagano????)
9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold + Karajan/DG Karajan Gold (live) + Bernstein/BPO/DG (live)
10)Rattle/EMI
post #831 of 3714

A Story (Long)

Forgive me for relating such a personal story on this forum, but I feel as though we have gotten to know each other somewhat through our common love of Mahler, and this story exemplifies what his music can mean in our lives.

Sunday morning, I was hiking on a mountain trail close to my home, listening to the last movement of M2 (the latest Kaplan version) on my iPod. (Most of you will remember my recent posting, which described the incredible experience I had when hearing the M2 live, just two weekends ago.) This hike represented the first time I had listened to it since then, and the emotions were rekindled. Needless to say I was mesmerized, to the point that the hike, the mountain scenery, and the blue sky melded together with the music to produce a nearly dream-like state. I can’t describe it in words, except to say that all of the ingredients combined in a way that, I’m sure, transported me back into Mahler’s thoughts as he composed the M2.

Just as the music reached its most emotional climax, as the final hushed silence fell over the orchestra before the chorus enters with its first “Aufersteh’n”, I thought I heard a child’s voice cry out, "Dad!". Being in that dream-like state, I thought at first that it was some kind of hallucination. Then, coming out of my Mahlerian trance, I realized that my thirteen-year-old son had found me on the trail, and was calling my name.

“What are you doing here?” I asked suprisedly, not expecting to see him so far along the trail, a few miles from my house. “Mom drove me up here” he said, “She’s waiting at the trailhead for us”.

While this is not typical hiking protocol for us, somehow the statement didn’t really register for me – I think I was still under the spell of the M2 finale. “All right”, I said, and we walked toward the trailhead. Along the way, I recounted the transcendent experience the music had just given me, and how it had taken me back to the live performance I heard just two weeks ago. For those few minutes, everything was perfect – discussing Mahler’s Second with my son, as we hiked under snow-capped peaks on a spectacular spring day.

Suddenly, it hit me: Why was my son here, and why was my wife waiting at the trailhead? Something must be wrong. My mind raced to thoughts of my mother, who has been hospitalized over the last three months in poor health. “Are you keeping something from me?” I asked nervously. My son nodded. At that moment, I realized the truth. “Has my mom died?” I muttered. He nodded again. My mother had passed away only a few minutes before; we had “gotten the call” at home, and my wife and son had set out to find me.

I’m a spiritual person, and I have a spiritual explanation for what happened to me that day; how it came to be that I would be prepared to hear the news about my mother by listening to M2 that morning (and through the concert two weeks ago), how it fell upon my son to give me the news, and how he had the presence of mind to wait until the timing was perfect. Along with that, the deepest meaning of Mahler became crystal clear for me as well, and was linked with my personal experiences in an indescribable way.

At the same time, I now understand Mahler’s appeal on a new level. I realize that, regardless of one’s particular views on religion and spirituality, Mahler was able, with essentially secular music, to provide a spiritual dimension that resonates regardless of the listener’s belief system. Mahler speaks to the basic human yearning to understand life’s greatest questions, and to face them in all their reality. I know that Mahler’s music helped me with that, last Sunday morning.

Thanks for letting me tell this story.
post #832 of 3714
Doc,

Thanks for relating that, on a forum such as this, the emotional impact of music is rarely discussed.

Scott
post #833 of 3714
My condolences for the loss of your mother.

For the rest of the post, all I can say is WOW! I can completely relate to the trancendent state that Mahler's works, and particularly for me the 2nd, can catapult you into. A very eloquently written and stated post... I found myself almost mesmerized reading it and nodding in agreement with everything you said.

-Chris
post #834 of 3714
Thread Starter 
What more can an artist hope to acheive than than to so deeply tap into the hopes aspirations and struggles of man's relationship to this world and it's creator, the mortal coil we all live in.

Very profound and moving story from Doc, yet what could be more fitting to prepare one for dealing with news of death of loved one than the Mahler 2nd, for in the end through all the struggle man must endure it is a glorious triumph when all is revealed in an apocalyptic vison of unimaginable splendor.......it is peace and happiness at the end of the long journey.
post #835 of 3714
Doc,

My sincere condolences to you at the loss of your mother. I hope that in the passing of time, you will find solace in all of your happy memories her.

DarkAngel,

I just picked up the Blomstedt/SFSO&Chorus Mahler 2, and it is totally amazing. It really compares well with all of them. I can't believe that it is not already on your list of favorites, it is that good.
post #836 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Doc,

My sincere condolences to you at the loss of your mother. I hope that in the passing of time, you will find solace in all of your happy memories her.

DarkAngel,
I just picked up the Blomstedt/SFSO&Chorus Mahler 2, and it is totally amazing. It really compares well with all of them. I can't believe that it is not already on your list of favorites, it is that good.
I have had the Blomstedt for some time now, it struck me as very good and worth keeping but not quite reference level in super competitive field.......haven't listen to it in long time so can't give detailed description unless I play again to refresh my memory......but it does not displace any of my top list below for instance. Top 4 is pretty firm, 5-7 are roughly equal but different styles, then the rest of M2 collection I keep on hand.

Here is my top Mahler 2nds:
1)Bernstein/Sony (Bernstein taken to the limit)
2)Solti/CSO/London (not LSO, Solti will yeild to no one in final climax)
3)Rattle/EMI
4)Litton/Delos
5)Mehta/Decca Legends
6)Kaplan/Conifer
7)Klemperer/EMI GROTC (emphasis on spiritual reverence vs power)

Have not heard new Geilen, MTT, Chailly but they would have to be stellar to displace any from list above
post #837 of 3714
Got in the MTT Mahler 9th a couple of days ago.

Gentlemen, we have a reference.

Finally someone does it right, gets the full message of the music and knows exactly when to pour on the emotion and when to hold back with a little reticence. And all in spectacular sound. How someone can play the music this slowly and sustain the intensity for this long is amazing to me. Even though he plays a lot of it fairly slowly, he never sounds like he's dawdling, or stuck, or killing time, it still moves along and flows very well. Great stuff.
post #838 of 3714
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Checking the timing on that MTT 9th is on slow side at 89 min as is the new Chailly at 90 min.......I normally like faster versions of 9th closer to 80 min or less (1CD versions)

Interesting argument can be made that modern 9th performances are much slower than Mahler himself used. EMI recently released the 1938 Walter/VPO/EMI 9th that times in at blistering 70 minutes! (Walter would have seen Mahler conduct 9th in person)



Since I missed the 24hr sale at Tower I will stay on the sidelines, MTT at full price is just too rich for my blood.
post #839 of 3714
I received the MTT Mahler 9th today (Tower 9.99). I also received my MDR SA5000's (purchased used i.e. pre-broken in) so I know what I'll be doing tonight.
post #840 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Checking the timing on that MTT 9th is on slow side at 89 min as is the new Chailly at 90 min.......I normally like faster versions of 9th closer to 80 min or less (1CD versions)

Interesting argument can be made that modern 9th performances are much slower than Mahler himself used. EMI recently released the 1938 Walter/VPO/EMI 9th that times in at blistering 70 minutes! (Walter would have seen Mahler conduct 9th in person)



Since I missed the 24hr sale at Tower I will stay on the sidelines, MTT at full price is just too rich for my blood.
Interesting, It's been several years (over a decade) since I've listened to Walter's Mahler 9th. I remember enjoying the last movement quite a bit, but at the time I didn't know the work quite as well as I do now.

I'll have to look and see if Mahler actually conducted the 9th himself. I don't remember reading if he did or didn't.

-jar
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