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post #706 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
The gem here is 1959 stereo Mahler 6 that is remastered, much sought after by Mahler collectors, best sound ever here.
Is this really stereo? I can't tell for sure from the discussion at Arkiv.
post #707 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamont
Is this really stereo? I can't tell for sure from the discussion at Arkiv.
I believe it is, the Great COnductor CDs usually are a mix, but I believe the M6 is Stereo.
post #708 of 3714
Thread Starter 
So to sum up for Mahlerites you need to get Mitropoulos for stereo M6 and the Barbirolli for stereo M2.......best prices at alldirect.com

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I will also mention the Schuricht and Bohm sets each have outstanding Bruckner 8ths, and the Reiner set has Gilels/Brahms PC2 that surpasses the famous Jochum versions.
post #709 of 3714
I'm very glad to see that Mitropoulos is mentioned in this thread at last.
Besides Koeln M6, many others of his recordings are worth appreciation. I'd like to mention...
NYP M6 - Sorry that it's available only in NYP broadcast set, certainly worth release in more available format. It is my favorite version, its tempi are simply right!
Koeln M3 - The recording of his last concert. Extremely pessimistic as well as Vienna M9. I prefer it to the rapid NYP version.
Vienna M9 - 'masochistic', according to the Gramophone
M1 1951 - IMO orchestra is better, tempi and dynamics are flexible but exact and certain.
M5 - I believe that it is the nearest performance to the spirit of Mahler's piano roll version in spite of the poor orchestral playing.
Well, IMO Mitropoulos is one of the very best Mahler interpreters until nowadays, and deserves wider and deeper attention. Give him a try if you have chance.
post #710 of 3714
Then there are these recordings available from the NY Philharmonic:
The Mahler Broadcasts 1948-1982, 12-CD Set DIGITALLY REMASTERED
Price: $ 225.00 (only available from the e-store of the NYPO at this site)

The first complete set of Mahler's symphonies offered by the New York Philharmonic

No. 1 Sir John Barbirolli January 10, 1959

No. 2 Zubin Mehta Kathleen Battle, Maureen Forrester March 7, 1982

No. 3 Pierre Boulez Yvonne Minton October 23, 1976

No. 4 Georg Solti Irmgard Seefried January 13, 1962

No. 5 Klaus Tennstedt June 18, 1980

No. 6 Dimitri Mitropoulos April 10, 1955

No. 7 Rafael Kubelik February 28, 1981

No. 8 Leopold Stokowski Frances Yeend, Uta Graf, Camilla Williams, Martha Lipton, Louise Bernhardt, Eugene Conley, Carlos Alexander, George London, Schola Cantorum (Hugh Ross, director), Westminster Choir (John Finley Williamson, director), Boys' Chorus from Public School No. 12, Manhattan (Pauline Covner, teacher) April 9, 1950

No. 9 Sir John Barbirolli December 8, 1962

No. 10 Dimitri Mitropoulos January 16, 1960 and March 16, 1958

Das Lied von der Erde Bruno Walter Kathleen Ferrier, Set Svanholm January 18, 1948

Songs of a Wayfarer William Steinberg Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau November 27, 1964
post #711 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottder
I believe it is, the Great COnductor CDs usually are a mix, but I believe the M6 is Stereo.
Actually, if you look at the information, the performance is mono:
Release Date: 08/05/2003
Label: Emi Classics Catalog #: 75471 Spars Code: ADD
Composer: Gustav Mahler, Hector Berlioz, Claude Debussy, Richard Strauss
Conductor: Dimitri Mitropoulos
Orchestra/Ensemble: Cologne West German Radio Orchestra, New York Philharmonic Orchestra

Number of Discs: 2
Recorded in: Mono
Length: 2 Hours 33 Mins.
EMI Mahler

the other version, from Music and Arts:

here is supposed to be the same recording and remaster.
CD-1021(6) MITROPOULOS CONDUCTS MAHLER

CD 1 (77:04): Symphony No. 1 in D major; Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra, (Carnegie Hall) 9 Jan. 1960 & Symphony No. 10 in F-sharp minor, Adagio and Andante/Adagio (only) Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra, 17 Jan. 1960.

CD 2 (78:35): Symphony No. 3 in D minor, Beatrice Krebs, contralto; Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra, (Carnegie Hall) 15 April 1956.

CD 3 (70:32): Symphony No. 5 in C-sharp minor, Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra, (Carnegie Hall) 2 Jan. 1960.

CD 4 (74:33): Symphony No. 6 in A minor WDR (Köln Radio) Orchestra, 31 Aug. 1959.

CD 5 (79:48): Symphony No. 8 in E-flat major Vienna Philharmonic, with Wiener Sängerknaben, Vienna State Opera Choir, Ges. d. Musikfreunde Choir and Mimi Coertse & Hilde Zadek, sop., Lucretia West & Ira Malaniuk, cont., Giuseppe Zampieri, ten., Hermann Prey, barit. & Otto Edelmann, bass. 28 Aug. 1960 (Salzburg Festival).

CD 6 (73:48): Symphony No. 9 in E-flat major NY Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra, (Carnegie Hall) 23 Jan. 1960.

UPC # 0-17685-10212-7.

The information on this set specifically says that it will not duplicate the performances in the NY Philharmonic Set, and that the 6th is the same recording as the EMI Great Conductors.
post #712 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Bunny
I would like to hear some of those other Mahler symphonies on the Mitropoulos Music & Arts collection, especially the 9th. Wonder what the sound quality is compared to 6th......if I knew ahead of time they were as good I would probably take a flyer for $60 which is reasonable price for 6 Mahler symphonies.

I know the 3rd was edited to fit time allowed for radio broadcast, this will bother some Mahler purists
post #713 of 3714
Bunny,

I wouldn' count on the information on Arkiv to be 100% wrong, but I could be wrong. DA? Is that Mahler Mono or Stereo?
post #714 of 3714
Thread Starter 
I have played the Mitropoulos 6th a couple times already and sound was so real I assumed it was stereo......but after reading more it may be mono. Believe me sound quality will not be an issue here, it sounds very good whatever it is.
post #715 of 3714
From everything I can find about the EMI Classics Mitropoulos M6, the new edition is taken from the original German radio tapes and it was taped in monophonic. I don't know how remastering can make it stereo, or perhaps simulated stereo. I've been debating ordering it, and at the same time I am really conflicted about ordering the NYPO cycle, which with its $200+ pricetag (also add in 8.25% tax; I can buy it at Lincoln Center store and avoid the delivery charge) still seems like a lot for some performances which must have compromised audio quality because of age and primitive technology. But, having heard Mitropolous as a child (both on the radio and in Carnegie Hall) I am so drawn to it. Then when I think of the EMI recording and it's really low price, it becomes even more of a conflict. It's interesting that Bernstein isn't included in the NYPO cycle, probably because he has the best recordings on his Sony cycle.

I'll probably order the EMI because of the pricepoint, but the Barbirolli NYPO recordings look so good as well. ($225/12 = 18.75 per cd <<UGH>> $225 + 8.25% = $243.56 <<YIKES>> ) Major Conflict!!! (~$20.30 per cd )

I guess you can appreciate why I am hesitating at this point, especially when I am spending so much money upgrading my audio/dvd system.
post #716 of 3714
Thank you so much DA!! You have saved me $200 !! I think I will be able to live with the abridged version of the symphony. I still have the cycles by Bernstein and Kubelik (although his 7th is much better than his 6th). I should also consider a Barbirolli as well. But I don't want another abridged for radio version, if at all possible.
post #717 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I have played the Mitropoulos 6th a couple times already and sound was so real I assumed it was stereo......but after reading more it may be mono. Believe me sound quality will not be an issue here, it sounds very good whatever it is.
I've grown more tolerant of mono recordings, I still prefer stereo when it's there, but sometimes the peroformance shines beyond the limitations of sound.

Scott
post #718 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I have played the Mitropoulos 6th a couple times already and sound was so real I assumed it was stereo......but after reading more it may be mono. Believe me sound quality will not be an issue here, it sounds very good whatever it is.
Thanks, I believe you. 6 is one of my favorites, I'll have to pick this one up.
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Rattle M8 Review

Musicweb has posted a review of the Ratlle M8 .

Scott
post #720 of 3714
Thread Starter 
I don't listen much to M8......but sounds like the two reviewers think Rattle is third choice to Solti/Decca Legends and Horenstein/BBC Legends.
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