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post #691 of 3714
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Now with "proper" listen on full stereo I have better handle on what exactly we have with Rattle M9. This is live recording from 1993 with VPO, a 2CD version that includes a Strauss work. Getting to the bottom line this is pretty good but not in my top 3-4 favorites, Rattle seems a bit helter skelter here trying to beat Bernstein at his own game......but fails in that endeavor as I will explain.

Part of the problem is the recording although very sweet and detailed has too much dynamic range, to adjust for 99% normal volume level parts the 1% climaxes became complete over the top bombast, the bass is just silly deep even more than Telarcs normal "hollywood" productions. Net effect is you have long periods of very low level hushed playing followed by volcanic eruptions of sound. This gets old quick and looses the long line that great conductors like Bernstein, Barbirolli manage brilliantly, what is left a a series of disjointed segments that don't seem connected. There seemed to be extended periods that lacked intensity and became bland/aimless.

I will probably end up keeping this, it is hard to find used now. But there are much better versions out there IMO, many on 1CD version. Fighting for the top we have players like:
Karajan/DG (live)
Bernstein/Sony (or DG live)
Barbirolli/EMI GROTC
Abbado/BPO/DG
Horenstein/BBC Legends (live)
post #692 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
I am trying to assemble a complete Mahler cycle on LP from Maurice Abravanel and the Utah Symphony. These recordings were made in the 1960s within the spectacular acoustics of the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, and some of them at least are remembered as remarkable performances. Abravanel was one of the earliest Mahler champions; he knew Mahler's widow and was one of the first to regularly feature performances of his symphonies.

I grew up in Salt Lake City, and remember as a kid being taken to the USO performances in the tabernacle, and looking down on Abravanel from the balcony pews along the sides. I don't remember if I was present at any Mahler performances or not, but it's more than likely. The acoustics of that building are truly unique; it's a fact that one can hear a pin drop from the other end of the building - I've done it myself on several occasions.

Anyone else have experience with this Mahler cycle?

I currently have 1,2,3,4,7, and 8 from this set.
I owned several of these in LP, I recall the sound quality as excellent. I have not heard any of these in at least 20 years, but I recall 3 and 7 as particularly good.

I think these are all available now on CD from Vanguard Classics.
post #693 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Part of the problem is the recording although very sweet and detailed has too much dynamic range, to adjust for 99% normal volume level parts the 1% climaxes became complete over the top bombast, the bass is just silly deep even more than Telarcs normal "hollywood" productions. Net effect is you have long periods of very low level hushed playing followed by volcanic eruptions of sound. This gets old quick
Are you sure you weren't listening to the Boehm/Pollini Beethoven Op. 78 (emperor) Concerto when you wrote this?
post #694 of 3714
Hi, newbie here

Man, I wan't expecting so many Mahler freaks to be on this forum!

I haven't had a chance to read all 35 pages of the thread, but for the record my favourite Mahler recording at this exact moment is Abbado's new Mahler 2 on DG with Lucerne Festival Orchestra, Definitely worth checking out, and his 3,7,8&9 with Berlin aren't half bad either.

For a really interesting one, check out Kurt Masur's recording of Mahler 7 with Leipzig Gewandhaus which was re-released sometime last year. Old recording from th 70s

BTW Bunnyears Vienna Phil can actually play new music and would definitely be worth checking out if you get the chance. Would make a very interesting comparison with SFO!
post #695 of 3714
Well, I did think of getting tickets for the Sunday (or Sat.) of the same week that I have the SF tickets, because VPO is doing the titan(if I remember correctly). Unfortunately, I think that 3 heavy concerts in one week is a bit much even for me, let alone my poor husband who claims to "love classical music," but whose experience ends with Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin. Meanwhile, there is another concert in Greenwich, Ct. of Sir Neville Marriner coming up, so I don't want to alienate him too much!
post #696 of 3714
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Originally Posted by lwd
I haven't had a chance to read all 35 pages of the thread, but for the record my favourite Mahler recording at this exact moment is Abbado's new Mahler 2 on DG with Lucerne Festival Orchestra, Definitely worth checking out, and his 3,7,8&9 with Berlin aren't half bad either.
My take on Abbado's Mahler:
Abbado has made great strides in the 1990's in his Mahler performances, his recordings with BPO on DG are now very strong with 1,5,7,9. Still think his 2nd is not in the elite class, actually like his 1980's CSO version best for 2nd.
His 3,4 are still not competitve with the best versions, have not heard his new 8th so no comment.

Also his older CSO 7th may still be his best by slight margin, both it and new BPO 7th are great performances by any measure.
post #697 of 3714
I'm going to my first live Mahler concert on the 12th March. Its Mahler 2 at Leeds Town Hall. I'm taking a group of people with me for whom this is going to be their introduction to classical music so it should be an interesting evening.
The conductor is Jaap van Zweden and the orchestra is the Netherlands Symphony Orchestra, has anyone nay experience of this conductor or orchestra and do they have any kind of reputaition for Mahler interpretation ?

Pat
post #698 of 3714
Hi pcolbeck

Jaap's not bad, The Neth Symph Orch is not the greatest honestly, but I'm sure they will be playing at their best on a UK tour.

Hope you all enjoy!
post #699 of 3714
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Originally Posted by lwd
Hi pcolbeck

Jaap's not bad, The Neth Symph Orch is not the greatest honestly, but I'm sure they will be playing at their best on a UK tour.

Hope you all enjoy!
Thanks, they are using two choirs so it should have a sense of scale in the final part at least.

Pat
post #700 of 3714
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Ancerl/Suprahon M9
Mahlerites I think I may have found my reference M9, this relatively unknown version is so good it makes the Rattle M9 seem foolish by comparison. This is 1966 performance remastered on 1 gold CD and sold at reduced price, part of the Ancerl Gold Edition series. The sound is brightly lit, but has great detail and realistic 3D sopundstage, much prefer this to "hollywood" hyped sound of the Rattle M9.

The style is in the Bernstein camp, very dramatic and powerful with soaring peaks that give an intensity I have heard in no other M9. Ancerl skillfully maintains a coherent structure and never looses your attention, has you on the edge of your seat throughout.....this is Mahler greatness! This may turn out to be my reference M9 but must live with it a while longer, definitely top three......essential Mahler.

post #701 of 3714
Interesting find DA, also interesting they managed to get the M9 on one CD, what are the timings like on the Ancerl compared to others.

Scott
post #702 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
I am trying to assemble a complete Mahler cycle on LP from Maurice Abravanel and the Utah Symphony. These recordings were made in the 1960s within the spectacular acoustics of the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, and some of them at least are remembered as remarkable performances. Abravanel was one of the earliest Mahler champions; he knew Mahler's widow and was one of the first to regularly feature performances of his symphonies.

I grew up in Salt Lake City, and remember as a kid being taken to the USO performances in the tabernacle, and looking down on Abravanel from the balcony pews along the sides. I don't remember if I was present at any Mahler performances or not, but it's more than likely. The acoustics of that building are truly unique; it's a fact that one can hear a pin drop from the other end of the building - I've done it myself on several occasions.

Anyone else have experience with this Mahler cycle?

I currently have 1,2,3,4,7, and 8 from this set.
I just came across an article that said that the Abravanel cycle on Vanguard is currently being reissued by Artemis. I hope this helps.
post #703 of 3714
Looks like the Abravanel M1 is available with Berlioz Requiem on SACD as well.
post #704 of 3714
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scottder
Interesting find DA, also interesting they managed to get the M9 on one CD, what are the timings like on the Ancerl compared to others.
Scott
Performance times for M9:
Barbirolli/EMI GROTC (1CD) - 78:26
Ancerl/Supraphon (1CD) - 78:53
Abbado/BPO/DG (1CD) - 79:05
Boulez/DG (1CD) - 79:46
Bernstein/Sony (1CD) - 79:51
Rattle/EMI (2CD) - 80:55
Sinopoli/DG (set) - 82:31
Karajan/DG (2CD) - 84:23 (live)
Solti/London (set) - 85:34
Horenstein/BBC Legends (2CD) - 87:40

I know some here have the new Chailly M9:
Chailly/London (2CD) - 90:00
Zander/Telarc (2CD) 87:02

Just for historical perspective EMI is selling 1938 live Bruno Walter recording that times in at a blistering 70:00!
post #705 of 3714
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Also in all the excitement over Ancerl M9, I forgot to mention yet another important performance on the Mitropoulos Great Conductors set:



The gem here is 1959 Mahler 6 that is remastered, much sought after by Mahler collectors, best sound ever here. Mitropoulos headed NYPO 1949-58 and Bernstein studied under him and eventually took the reigns 1959-69, Mitropoulos was true Mahler pioneer with great skill and after hearing this you can see why Bernstein's early Mahler set with NYPO was so great with a mentor like this! There is nice discussion of this at Arkiv:

Mitropoulos
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