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post #676 of 3714
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Bunny
Do you have the new Kubelik packaging with CDs in papersleeves or the older set in jewelcases?

Did you get Bernstein Sony or DG set?
post #677 of 3714
The Kubelik arrived in the newer packaging with the paper sleeves (I hate them!). I can't see how this can be good for the plastic, so I'll have to get nice lined sleeves for them. Also, the sleeves are so tight that I have problems pulling the cds out without putting fingerprints all over the surface.

The sound quality is DG, and that means clear but not fancy. No SACD or HDCD for them. Just high ordinary cd quality. But, they are miked very well and sound excellent on my sony D25 with headphones. Unfortunately, my speaker system is being upgraded along with living room bookcases (new ones coming as soon as cabinet maker finishes, but he is very sssllloooowwwww.)

this morning I finally got the email from tower that they were finally shipping the Sony-Bernstein symphonies. The Kubelik and Bernstein are actually my first complete sets by one conductor and orchestra (or will be when the Bernstein arrives). Up till now, I only had individual symphonies. I had always picked and chosen, but I think it's also important to get complete sets so that you get a really good idea of the conductor's vision. It's almost as important to see where he fails as where he succeeds. Sometimes hearing the failures really sheds more light on the music, and I really don't understand that, but it does. For instance, the Boulez Bartok piano concertos (which I am growing to detest) actually have let me enjoy and appreciate the Anda/Fricsay and the Bronfman/Salonen much more. And please, I'm not saying that Boulez has failed, because the work is really brilliant, just that his interpretation has become extremely repellent to me on a visceral level.
post #678 of 3714
sorry! wrong place.
post #679 of 3714
I love the Kubelik M1, it sorta makes me curious how he is on the other symphonies. I love the Bernstein NYPO set. I still say it's a great set to start on, Bernstein brings energy to Mahler that will really attract a newcomer I feel, and still be a decent set you'll want to listen to later, when you have aquired other performances.

Scott
post #680 of 3714
Just received the Bernstein Sony set as I came in from the market! I've put on the M7 to see what he does with it. Still in the early bars, but it sounds promising. (When does Mahler not sound promising to me? hmm.... I guess I even like bad recordings of mahler unless they are totally egregious.) After I've done some more listening, I say something. Right now, I am remembering how Lenny looked at the concerts I attended as a very young school girl. I found out years later that he was the first (and maybe only) conductor to get his tails made out of that very new fabric helanca, the grand-daddy of lycra and spandex! He was something when he started out. It looked as if he were dancing on the podium, alternately trying to seduce the orchestra and beat it up. What a change from Mitropoulos, who was always so restrained and dignified.
post #681 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
I love the Kubelik M1, it sorta makes me curious how he is on the other symphonies. I love the Bernstein NYPO set. I still say it's a great set to start on, Bernstein brings energy to Mahler that will really attract a newcomer I feel, and still be a decent set you'll want to listen to later, when you have aquired other performances.

Scott
I love his 5th and 3rd, and am currently still listening to the rest to assess them. (Not at this very second, Bernstein is on! A nice change from the Hogwood Beethoven S 1&2 that I had on earlier.)
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
I love his 5th and 3rd, and am currently still listening to the rest to assess them. (Not at this very second, Bernstein is on! A nice change from the Hogwood Beethoven S 1&2 that I had on earlier.)
Hmmm 3rd eh. I have a few of those now. I really liking the Chailly on SACD, just a wonderfully performed piece. Though like you, I have to to throw down any Mahler CD in absolute disgust and say "That's just wrong!", even the Rattle M2 which didn;t do it for me at first has grown on me.

So much music so little time.
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Excuse me, I meant the 2nd, which is really spectacular! Finger must have slipped, but I love the 3rd he does as well, and I also love the Chailly 3rd. The audio quality on that just rocks, and I have already ordered the Chailly 9th as well. Kubelik just brings a feeling of cohesive unity to all of the elements, so that the occassional break through instrument (like the brass in the first) just sings out over the choir.

Btw, just on casual listening, I find that the opening of the first movement of Kubelik's 7th has a more ominous, dangerous feeling as opposed to the Bernstein which is more lyrical and mournful. They are both beautiful, but the Kubelik just has that air of danger that I don't feel in the Bernstein. Because of that I think it resolves into the more lyrical passages differently, those also have that dark undertone, whereas the Bernstein has a lighter, easier feeling. They are both terrific, but I think I'll give the edge in the first movement to Kubelik. Of course, both of the cds are new, so I expect this assessment to change maybe a dozen times or so before I have them firmly in my mind. I also think sound quality on the DG is a little better than the sony, but that's just quibbling. The Bernstein seems a bit harsher and at the same time more distant. The kubelik DG makes me feel as if I'm surrounded by the orchestra (and it's not SACD). I am so glad I got both of the sets! They are both excellent, and I know that depending on my mood I will pick up one or the other on a given day.
post #684 of 3714
I haven't spent much time with M7, maybe it is time. The Chailly M9 is wonderful. If you liked his M3 then getting the M9 is a no-brainer IMHO.

I'll have to pull out the Bernstein M7 and give it a spin.

Scott
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the 7th Symphony is supposed to be the one that brought Mahler the recognition and acclaim of his contemporaries. Until the 7th, he was not considered to be a truly great composer (I guess they were a bit short-sighted back then.) It is by far his most structured piece, and some consider it his greatest work. Whatever your opinion, it is a symphony that deserves careful appreciation (as do all of his works).

Do you know anything about the other Chailly's that are available, the 2nd, 5, 8 etc.? Some are only listed as dvd-a, but others only as cd. which are sacd? I only wish that I could rip in sacd format for the ipod, although I can't see how 3 or 4 channels would play in headphones or iems.
post #686 of 3714
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Got my used Rattle M9 (finally) and Ancerl/Supraphon Gold M9 should arrive any day now.

I am curious to hear Rattle M9 since Classics Today guru D Hurwitz hates this version.....which means I will probably love it. Finally just sold off the last of my Levi/Telarc Mahler which DH raved about so highly.

Might also mention I got used Blomstedt/London M2, but was a bit of a disappointment despite good sound and may have to be sold since too many strong players here.
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I would be very interested in your impressions of Rattle M9. I could always use another Mahler 9, although Karajan at this point is probably unstoppable. But, I am a big Rattle fan and would interested in how he does with this piece.

dshea
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Got my used Rattle M9 (finally) and Ancerl/Supraphon Gold M9 should arrive any day now.

I am curious to hear Rattle M9 since Classics Today guru D Hurwitz hates this version.....which means I will probably love it. Finally just sold off the last of my Levi/Telarc Mahler which DH raved about so highly.

Might also mention I got used Blomstedt/London M2, but was a bit of a disappointment despite good sound and may have to be sold since too many strong players here.
The only Levi I have is the M5 and it's a real snooze fest. yes, the sound is pretty impressive, but that can't save the uninspired lackluster performance. I have 4 others that beat the socks off of it.. Solti, Sinopoli, Levine and Leinsdorf. I think I tried to sell the Levi on Amazon a few years ago but for some reason it's still in my collection.

Hope that Rattle 9th turns out nice. I almost pulled the trigger on the Chailly M9 a few weeks ago but other financial considerations came to the forefront. Maybe next month.


-jar
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Abravanel - Utah Symphony

I am trying to assemble a complete Mahler cycle on LP from Maurice Abravanel and the Utah Symphony. These recordings were made in the 1960s within the spectacular acoustics of the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, and some of them at least are remembered as remarkable performances. Abravanel was one of the earliest Mahler champions; he knew Mahler's widow and was one of the first to regularly feature performances of his symphonies.

I grew up in Salt Lake City, and remember as a kid being taken to the USO performances in the tabernacle, and looking down on Abravanel from the balcony pews along the sides. I don't remember if I was present at any Mahler performances or not, but it's more than likely. The acoustics of that building are truly unique; it's a fact that one can hear a pin drop from the other end of the building - I've done it myself on several occasions.

Anyone else have experience with this Mahler cycle?

I currently have 1,2,3,4,7, and 8 from this set.
post #690 of 3714
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Listened to Rattle M9 last night with headphones.....does not sound promising, sounds too reserved, lacking weight and drama. Even Karajan M9 live is more powerful sounding, will listen again today on full stereo but looks like a sale, too many strong players here.

The Ancerl/Supraphon M9 has arrived.
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