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post #286 of 3714
adhoc,

Thanks for that review!
post #287 of 3714

Mahler 2

My favorite Mahler symphony, the second. I've got the Rattle and Klemperer and only recently did I get the Rattle. It's very close between the quality of sound and emotions from either recording IMO but if I had to chose I'd pick the Rattle.
post #288 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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i managed to conduct a critical listen-and-compare of litton/delos and rattle/emi over the weekend. i own a full score, and one or two references will be made to it - however i've usually included some pointers so that those score-less folks can figure out what i'm rambling on abt.
OMG.......Adhoc you are the man!

The Delos sound is awe inspiring.......fortunately not wasted here as Litton delivers the goods in spades (unlike his Mahler 3). (My comments here are always referring to full stereo with sub that accurately produces 25hz), The apocalypse ending scence is glorious with tremendous build-up and powerful energetic delivery
a masterful vision of the heavens opening before you. Dynamic range is off the charts, complex layers of sound rendered with great clarity allowing you to hear deep into the score.

I do not play close attention to vocal parts and have no doubt that Rattle has the upper hand here.

The Rattle is good sound and for its day in late 1980s actually very good, but is surpassed by new Delos..........the newer Rattle Mahler 3 is different story, sound equal to Delos, both reference quality

I agree that Rattle has a better handle on first movement, almost as if Litton takes a while to build up momentum getting better as he goes on, Rattle is sharp/incisive right from the first note.......again I believe overall Rattle has a better handle on the entire Mahler cycle of symphonies vs Litton, as usual better to mix & match Mahler and just buy best performances of each symphony.

BTW....Have not heard the Mehta/Decca Legends Mahler 2 for a while so will play that again soon before making new comments.
post #289 of 3714
I'm putting up my vote for Berstein/NYPO on Sony Classical again. Very different conception than Litton, Klemperer, and Rattle.

Also check out Solti/CSO for a really aggressive version (especially the 1st movement).

--Andre
post #290 of 3714
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Originally posted by DarkAngel
I am big fan of Solti/London (CSO) but I believe only currently available by buying entire set

Also Bernstein/Sony Mahler 2 can be purchased (I have as part of complete set) as mid priced 2 CD version, not to be missed for Mahler fans.
Andre ........... I'm with you all the way.
post #291 of 3714
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Originally posted by AndreYew
I'm putting up my vote for Berstein/NYPO on Sony Classical again. Very different conception than Litton, Klemperer, and Rattle.
actually, that'll be the next one i'll be trying for certain.

i've fallen totally in love with this symphony. i'm tempted to do a kaplan and jump into conducting this just that one symphony without having any prior formal musical education beforehand.

but then again, i dont happen to count solti as one of my homeboys and i dont have a gazillion bucks lying around.

DA,

take your time - we all want a real critical impression.
post #292 of 3714
hey all, just thought that you all might want to know that i have the gielen 2 shipping as we speak. it's frightfully expensive, and i really hope that it will be good!

it's apparently a 'non-interventionist' type recording, certainly not a bernstein or a solti, but more of a klemperer.

whatever that may mean.

and, DA, what happened to your mehta impressions?
post #293 of 3714
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I have seen some good reviews for Gielen performances but don't own any currently........so keep us posted.

Haven't listened to Mahler for a week or so........been busy comparing cables and making system changes with maple platforms plus yet another pair of speakers soon to arrive

But rest assured the Mehta/Decca Legends is in the top 10% of available Mahler 2.......and I am not a Mehta fan. It is affordable 1 CD version with very good sound at mid price so I wouldn't hesitate.
post #294 of 3714
Dang you Adhoc. Yours is already shipping. I ordered the Gielen No. 7 over a month ago from Amazon and it's still not in the mail. Let us know how you like him.
post #295 of 3714
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Originally posted by adhoc

it's apparently a 'non-interventionist' type recording, certainly not a bernstein or a solti, but more of a klemperer.
I'm behind the group here, I just got my Szell 4th recording the other day, meant to bring with me to work today, but forgot, tommorow I'll give it a spin!

What do you mean by "non-interventionist type recording"

Scott
post #296 of 3714
danaa, this is why you have friends in germany.

but, still, mine could take anything from 1-2 weeks to arrive. you just might be able to beat me to it!

scottder, i consider conductors like scherchen, bernstein, solti and litton 'interventionist'. typically, they employ generous rubato, fluctuating the tempo so wildly as to make a piece sound totally different. not neccessarily a bad thing though. in the case of solti, he seems to add a tension to everything he records.

apparently, gielen gives this symphony a 'neat' performance. nothing in the score that is not there is there and everything that is, is. we'll see though.
post #297 of 3714
Hey, my neighbor's German. Who would have thunk that THIS is the way she might serve a purpose for me?
post #298 of 3714
I have been reading this thread for quite some time, and have finally forced myself to join the fun.

Here are my Mahler symphonies on CD. Each CD is listed in acquisition order - within a particular symphony.

Sym No 1:

Chailly (London/Decca)
Bernstein (Sony - New York Phil)
Kubelik (Decca)
Boulez (DG)

Sym No 2:

Litton (Delos)
Mehta (Decca)
Chailly (Decca)
Rattle (EMI)

Totenfeier (I have to consider this a separate entry):

Boulez (DG)
Chailly (Decca - on Sym No. 2 disc)

Sym No 3:

Lopez-Cobos (Telarc)
Horenstein (Unicorn-Kanchana)
Litton (Delos)
Zander (Telarc - Hybrid SACD)

Sym No 4:

Rattle (EMI - City of Birmingham Symphony Orch)
Leaper (Arte Nova)
Boulez (DG)
Szell (Sony)
Zander (Telarc)

Sym No 5:

Barbirolli (EMI - New Philharmonia Orch)
Bernstein (DG)
Dohnanyi (Decca)
Zander (Telarc)

Sym No 6:

Tennstedt (EMI - London Philharmonic Orch)
Bernstein (DG)
Szell (Sony)
Zander (Telarc - Hybrid SACD) : My most-recent addition

Sym No 7:

Tennstedt (EMI - London Philharmonic Orch)
Abbado (DG)

Sym No 8:

Tennstedt (EMI - London Philharmonic Orch)
Solti (Decca)
Chailly (DG)

Sym No 9:

Bernstein (Sony - New York Philharmonic) : This is the disc that started it all....

Zander (Telarc)
Boulez (DG)
Karajan (DG - 1982)

Sym No. 10:

Bernstein (Sony - New York Philharmonic) : Adagio only
Rattle (EMI - Bournemouth Symphony Orch - Cooke version)
Litton (Delos - Carpenter version)

I am certain I am missing one or two discs.

I am a little embarrassed...now that I see all of these discs in

three stacks! Oh...the money, effort, and time I have spent...and the pleasure I have received...
post #299 of 3714
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Originally posted by adhoc
danaa, this is why you have friends in germany.

but, still, mine could take anything from 1-2 weeks to arrive. you just might be able to beat me to it!

scottder, i consider conductors like scherchen, bernstein, solti and litton 'interventionist'. typically, they employ generous rubato, fluctuating the tempo so wildly as to make a piece sound totally different. not neccessarily a bad thing though. in the case of solti, he seems to add a tension to everything he records.

apparently, gielen gives this symphony a 'neat' performance. nothing in the score that is not there is there and everything that is, is. we'll see though.
I would list Dohnanyi as a "non-interventionist." Haitink, Tennstedt would also probably fit this category.

Simon Rattle seems to be one to take a few more liberties. Same goes for Ricardo Muti.

Maazel? Not sure.. sometimes he can be very interventionist.. but hey, here's a question for the classical buffs here.. I think Maazel might have pulled off a first.. that is, to have been music director for 2 of the big 5 orchestras (Cleveland and New York), Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston being the other three. I can't recall if anyone has done this before? Maybe Szell? Is it even the big 5 still? Does Boston count anymore? if not, who's #5? #6? Atlanta? St. Louis? Los Angeles? San Fran? Dallas? Pittsburgh? Detroit? Seems to be quite a few that can equal and often surpass the big 5's..

-jar-
post #300 of 3714
Now my picks of the litter. Note that my picks depend upon my mood (e.g., sometimes Mehta's approach within the 2nd is preferred to Rattle's. Other times I like the fantastic sound quality of Litton's 2nd):

Sym No 1:

Kubelik (Decca)

Sym No 2:

Rattle (EMI) - I do like Rattle's first movement today....

Sym No 3:

Horenstein (Unicorn-Kanchana) - I need to listen to the new Telarc Zander disc this week

Sym No 4:

Szell (Sony)

Sym No 5:

Bernstein (DG) - I will likely change my vote tomorrow, depending upon my mood.....


Sym No 6:

Bernstein (DG) - I still need to listen to Zander's version in isolation this week....

Sym No 7:

Abbado (DG)

Sym No 8:

Solti (Decca)


Sym No 9:

Karajan (DG - 1982)

Sym No. 10:

Rattle (EMI - Bournemouth Symphony Orch - Cooke version)

Until tomorrow.....
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