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post #2731 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnFerrier
I happened to find a 1950 recording at the NYPO website.

"The first complete set of Mahler's symphonies offered by the New York Philharmonic

No. 8 Leopold Stokowski Frances Yeend, Uta Graf, Camilla Williams, Martha Lipton, Louise Bernhardt, Eugene Conley, Carlos Alexander, George London, Schola Cantorum (Hugh Ross, director), Westminster Choir (John Finley Williamson, director), Boys' Chorus from Public School No. 12, Manhattan (Pauline Covner, teacher) April 9, 1950"
Yes, that's an earlier recording of a performance, but it was not recorded for public sale, but for the orchestra's archives. It wasn't until much later that they were able to finally get it out. The Flipse was made for sale.
post #2732 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbhaub
I had to make time to comment on these comments about conductors, classic recordings, etc. SNIP
EXCELLENT post.
post #2733 of 3714

Off topic, on Cleveland

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbhaub
Yes, that's an earlier recording of a performance, but it was not recorded for public sale, but for the orchestra's archives. It wasn't until much later that they were able to finally get it out. The Flipse was made for sale.
Hi mbhaub,

I've read posts where you've commented on the Cleveland Orchestra. Do you happen to know anything about the Masonic Hall? Beside the Cleveland Orchestra being very good, as you have stated, I've commented that I really like the acoustics of recordings at the Masonic Hall. I seen stunning photos of Severance Hall. However, except for a couple of early recordings, Pierre Boulez conducts his recordings in Cleveland at the Masonic. The recordings I have in mind that have this warm acoustical sound are: Berlioz, Symphonie fantastique; Messiaen, La Ville d'en haut; Debussy, Images pour orchestre; and Mahler, Symphonie No. 4. Other people may think the sound has too much reverberation or echo, but I think it adds a wonderful realism to the sound. Thanks for any info.
post #2734 of 3714
I'm not sure what you want to know, but I can tell you this: Masonic Hall is just a relatively short distance west of Severance Hall on Euclid Avenue, and could be one of the ugliest buildings in existance. It's huge, boxy, and made with very dark brick. Looks like something of a Kafka novel. The interior meeting room where recordings were made is immense, wood floors, basically plain. But the overall geometry seems to be like that of the Musikverein - an long rectangular shape. I guess it could affect the recording process positively. But from the outside, the differences between Severance and Masonic are striking.
post #2735 of 3714

one more off topic

Ugly??? (Are we talking the same building? : ).





Have you heard a performance at the Masonic? Live does it have a warm, reverberant sound? I wondered if it has a reputation for looking bad and sounding good. (I emailed a recording engineer from DG who indicated that he likes to record at the Masonic, but wrote that the acoustics involved is so complicated that he couldn't explain it succinctly. He did recommend to me a book written in German : ).

Thank you for your previous reply.
post #2736 of 3714
Yeah, that's it. You don't think it's ugly? I sure do. But then where I live we have very few buildings of that vintage. Maybe the dark color of the brick is from the soot Cleveland dealt with for so many decades. The interior is a nice shot. I had completely forgotten that the seating is tiered like that. I took a tour there some 20+ years ago and didn't remember that. No, I've never heard a concert there, just at Severance a few times.
post #2737 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
You don't think it's ugly? I sure do.
No, you are correct. I was kidding : ). I might have to go to Cleveland someday to find out about it. Thanks.
post #2738 of 3714

the NEW Severance sound

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Originally Posted by JohnFerrier
Hi mbhaub,

I've read posts where you've commented on the Cleveland Orchestra. Do you happen to know anything about the Masonic Hall? Beside the Cleveland Orchestra being very good, as you have stated, I've commented that I really like the acoustics of recordings at the Masonic Hall.
From the perspective of an audience member, the sound quality at Severance Hall has improved dramatically since its renovation, and I don't think Boulez has made any recordings here since the renovated hall opened in 2001. Reverbation time has been lengthened, bass response has strengthened, and the relatively small hall does not so easily become "overloaded" when large-scale pieces (e.g. Mahler #2) are played. Also, there is now a real (not electronic) pipe organ available for pieces that require it.

Photo tour of the renovated hall:
http://www.clevelandorchestra.com/ht.../PhotoTour.asp
post #2739 of 3714
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Originally Posted by pbarach
From the perspective of an audience member, the sound quality at Severance Hall has improved dramatically since its renovation, and I don't think Boulez has made any recordings here since the renovated hall opened in 2001. Reverbation time has been lengthened, bass response has strengthened, and the relatively small hall does not so easily become "overloaded" when large-scale pieces (e.g. Mahler #2) are played. Also, there is now a real (not electronic) pipe organ available for pieces that require it.

Photo tour of the renovated hall:
http://www.clevelandorchestra.com/ht.../PhotoTour.asp

another view of the Masonic Auditorium


the beautiful Severance Hall

Maybe you are on to something. He last recorded Mahler's 4th in 1998. Also, I got word that the contract expired between the orchestra and the Masonic. Maybe Boulez will record Mahler's 8th at Severance Hall.
post #2740 of 3714
Thread Starter 
DH at classicstoday makes his true feelings well known for Horenstein/BBC Legends M6 just released:
Mahler 6

I didn't plan on getting this release anyway since I have the "stockholm" Horenstein M6 and was not super impressed, plus the slow timings scare me away.......no matter the Horenstein M1, M3, M8 remain in top 5 list for each symphony

For a completely different take on same release look at Tony Duggan's rave review on musicweb:
Mahler 6
post #2741 of 3714
Abbado/BPO M6 has been picked up as Gramophone record of the year
http://www.gramophone.co.uk/newsMain...ewssectionID=1
I sort of remember (but it is of course impossible to find anything in this gargantuan thread) that Abbado M6 did not get much love in this thread. Thoughts?
post #2742 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by calaf
Abbado/BPO M6 has been picked up as Gramophone record of the year
http://www.gramophone.co.uk/newsMain...ewssectionID=1
I sort of remember (but it is of course impossible to find anything in this gargantuan thread) that Abbado M6 did not get much love in this thread. Thoughts?
I have the new Abbado/BPO/DG M6 only because it was $6 at yourmusic.com, average performance for me.....nothing that would compete with best available M6s from past.

The older Abbado/DG complete Mahler set has a better M6, a 1980 studio recording with CSO. In fact every one of the new Abbado/DG Mahler releases can be bettered by one of his past recordings with BPO, CSO, VPO..........Claudio would not agree I'm sure.

The best of the new Mahler performances so far are 7,9 but again the 1984 CSO M7 is better as is the 1988 VPO M9
post #2743 of 3714
Even though I subscribe to Gramophone, I seriously question their accuracy, bias, judgment, nationalism and other factors. I haven't heard this M6, but I have heard a lot of fantastic recordings this year, and I find it hard to believe that this is their pick of the litter. But so it is, and maybe it's a nod to Abbado for his many years of service, generally superb recordings over a long career and remembrance of his glory days in front of the London Symphony. He is getting up there in years and has been seriously ill lately. I dunno.
post #2744 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
Even though I subscribe to Gramophone, I seriously question their accuracy, bias, judgment, nationalism and other factors. I haven't heard this M6, but I have heard a lot of fantastic recordings this year, and I find it hard to believe that this is their pick of the litter. But so it is, and maybe it's a nod to Abbado for his many years of service, generally superb recordings over a long career and remembrance of his glory days in front of the London Symphony. He is getting up there in years and has been seriously ill lately. I dunno.
I don't know, I liked Abbado M6 (which I also got from yourmusic) but I am not really qualified to judge Mahler recordings. Certainly I was surprised they picked this one over e.g. Abbado's own Zauberflote. Perhaps since they gave the prize to a Mozart opera recording last year (Jacobs' Figaro) they wanted to change genre...
post #2745 of 3714
Personally I think Abbado's recent M6 was first class. Best record of the year? Dunno.

Anybody who says his older recordings are better should listen to his most recent DG Mahler 3 which was recorded live with the BPO on tour.
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