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post #2521 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
If anyone sees a good deal on this, shout out. I love the live version I have.
$11.89 at CD Universe right now.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinf...56312983&BAB=D
post #2522 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
As we wait for any news from Raptor taking his plunge into Mahler's world, I was wondering what else out there could be re-issued or what new recordings would excite me?

Based on limited output so far........I would instantly purchase any new Mahler recordings by:
-Daniel Gatti
-Eiji Oue

Also would love to someday find decent Scherchen recording surface of Mahler 2,3,4,6,9 since I really like his Westminster 1,7 and 5 is very good but not quite elite status.

Did anyone get the new Boulez/DG Mahler 2nd?
I have it in my Tower shopping basket, but waiting for good sale or coupons first. Run time listed as 81 minutes yet still fits on 1CD
Before a terrible house fire 11 years ago, I had almost all Mahler's symphonies on vinyl. All the Columbia Bernstein, all the Vanguard Abravanel, in SQ quad, Fritz Reiners M4, Lindsdorfs M1, Solti's M1 and M4 and some open reels that I can't bear to recall. All destroyed. My cd collection was down stairs and was unhurt but the LP's were all stored upstairs and not a single disc was spared. Around 400 of them, collected since the 60's, were all gone. The shock of that day stuck with me for almost a decade and I just recently started to collect my favorites again. Bersteins M3 on vinyl was the first from him that I ever heard. It was the first M3 period for me and I have been spoiled ever since. The cd re-master (CBS) of this same performance is a horrible recording. Flat and unyieldingly strident, with no bass! STAY AWAY. I look forward to experiencing Lenny's M3/NYP with Sony's 20bit remastering as soon at it arrives. I ordered both the Bernstein/Sony and the Solti/CSO cycle to replenish my Mahler collection as they both come from the period in my life when I was discovering Mahler for the first time. The Solti set arrived first so I will start with it. I'm new to the CSO Solti collaberation having never heard them before in this music and I can say that after listening to the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th that I couldn't be without this set. The second is breathtaking! The CSO is absolutely amazing here. The recording is DDD and is splendid. I don't care if it IS nearly a quarter of a century old. The Urlicht movement (IV) however is marred by the contralto's unsteady vibralto. Thats putting it mildly as I can barely get through this movement without reaching for the track skip button. All is forgiven when 5th movement wings it's way toward the heavens. Did Mahler ever best this glorious movement? All in all, this is certainly one of the top M2 available. I just couldn't be without it. On the M4. What can I say? Solti nails it! It is perfection! No soloist problem here. Kiri Te Kanawa is heavenly and Mahlers vision is well served. Another DDD recording and the delicate final moments of the last movement give me goose bumps. I'm going to take a break now. Be back shortly with more as I rebuild my Mahler collection and happy to share that experience with you all. I am not, as I hope you can see a Mahler newbie. I hope to have a favorite list posted soon...
post #2523 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Raptor34
Before a terrible house fire 11 years ago, I had almost all Mahler's symphonies on vinyl. All the Columbia Bernstein, all the Vanguard Abravanel, in SQ quad, Fritz Reiners M4, Lindsdorfs M1, Solti's M1 and M4 and some open reels that I can't bear to recall. All destroyed. My cd collection was down stairs and was unhurt but the LP's were all stored upstairs and not a single disc was spared. Around 400 of them, collected since the 60's, were all gone. The shock of that day stuck with me for almost a decade and I just recently started to collect my favorites again. ...
I feel your pain. I just hope the humans all got out ok?

While I was in college in Cleveland, one of the local Record stores had a "Jazz/Classical Annex" - a complete store dedicated to only Jazz and Classical. They had a ton of vinyl.. CHEAP. Unfortunately, at that time, I was cheap too so I could not avail myself of all the bargains, though I did manage a few here and there.

Anyway, the store burned and all those LP's (and CDs) were gone. It wasn't *my* loss, but it kind of hurt nonetheless.

-jar
post #2524 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Raptor34
The Solti set arrived first so I will start with it. I'm new to the CSO Solti collaberation having never heard them before in this music and I can say that after listening to the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th that I couldn't be without this set. The second is breathtaking! The CSO is absolutely amazing here. The recording is DDD and is splendid. I don't care if it IS nearly a quarter of a century old. The Urlicht movement (IV) however is marred by the contralto's unsteady vibralto. Thats putting it mildly as I can barely get through this movement without reaching for the track skip button. All is forgiven when 5th movement wings it's way toward the heavens. Did Mahler ever best this glorious movement? All in all, this is certainly one of the top M2 available. I just couldn't be without it. On the M4. What can I say? Solti nails it! It is perfection! No soloist problem here. Kiri Te Kanawa is heavenly and Mahlers vision is well served. Another DDD recording and the delicate final moments of the last movement give me goose bumps. I'm going to take a break now. Be back shortly with more as I rebuild my Mahler collection and happy to share that experience with you all. I am not, as I hope you can see a Mahler newbie. I hope to have a favorite list posted soon...
Solti set often gets lost in the shuffle of FOTM latest 10/10 classictoday rating etc.......but it is a truely great set that for me easily surpasses the new sets like MTT, Chailly, Gielen etc that get all the raves from talking heads. I have commented many times here that Solti's spectacular performance of final movement of M2 is without equal, a revelation of unmatched power and beauty.........best 3 Mahler complete sets for me:

1)Bernstein/Sony
2)Solti/London
3)Kubelik/Audite (must be purchased as individual CDs currently)

So you have done the easy part and scooped up Bernstein & Solti, now with some additional effort (and cost) be sure and obtain the Kubelik/Audite series
(or even the Kubelik/DG studio set)
post #2525 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Did anyone get the new Boulez/DG Mahler 2nd?
I have it in my Tower shopping basket, but waiting for good sale or coupons first. Run time listed as 81 minutes yet still fits on 1CD
It's on order.

P.S. Good to be back - I've been out of the country for the last couple of weeks.
post #2526 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
It's on order.

P.S. Good to be back - I've been out of the country for the last couple of weeks.
Good to see you back!
post #2527 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
As we wait for any news from Raptor taking his plunge into Mahler's world, I was wondering what else out there could be re-issued or what new recordings would excite me?

Based on limited output so far........I would instantly purchase any new Mahler recordings by:
-Daniel Gatti
-Eiji Oue

Also would love to someday find decent Scherchen recording surface of Mahler 2,3,4,6,9 since I really like his Westminster 1,7 and 5 is very good but not quite elite status.

Did anyone get the new Boulez/DG Mahler 2nd?
I have it in my Tower shopping basket, but waiting for good sale or coupons first. Run time listed as 81 minutes yet still fits on 1CD
Gatti also has an M4 recording. I'm surprised you haven't gotten that one yet. Also, you should know that his Tchaikovsky Symphonies 4,5, and 6 are wonderful also -- and recorded in wonderful SACD/hybrid.

post #2528 of 3714
Hurwitz really panned the new Boulez M2. That is indeed odd as he has been generally very positive about the Boulez cycle (except Das Lied). In fact, to my reading, Hurwitz griped about the things for which he previously praised Boulez. If Boulez played the M3 and M6 cool, then he isn't going to warm up for the M2. Kaplan doesn't exactly turn in a Bernstein-esque reading, but still got high-enough marks. I am not a Hurwitz acolyte, but his reviews are generally amusing-enough.

Not that his opinion matters much, but it's still there.
post #2529 of 3714
Thanks to your tip I just read the Hurwitz. Ouch! What might make an interesting discussion is this: is his assessment of the Vienna Philharmonic's Mahler playing correct?

I say NO. I've heard them play Mahler live, and each time it's been breathtaking and memorable. A M1 with Abbado in Carnegie Hall some 12 years ago was the best I could ever imagine, and M6 several years back (with Boulez) was terrific.

Hurwitz correctly mentions the Mehta M2 as one of their best, but they have also turned in fine M2s with Kaplan, Maazel. One of the best M3s is Abbados with Vienna.

They did one complete cycle: with Maazel. I, for one, enjoy it -- well, most of it -- and am of the opinion it never got the reception it should have. M1 is one of the best. M2 is magnificent, but slower than some would like. M3 is beautifully done and beyond reproach. M4 has always been rated one of the best. The middle orchestral symphonies are played flawlessly. Maazel treats them like orchestral symphonies of the period and perhaps downplays the emotional content. They are 'cool' performances. The 7th has never been better played -- better conducted, yes. The 8th is a yawner. Too slow. The 9th is excellent -- superbly played. Ok, it's no Karajan, but its still top notch. DLVDE was on RCA and is one of the best. I can't believe an orchestra which is so uninterested in Mahler -- even hostile -- could have turned in a cycle as good as this. It may not be the pinnacle of performances or recordings, but I've lived with it very happily for almost 20 years.

One thing he is right about, and it's a criticism of the Philharmonic many have had is the weak percussion section. Must be that Viennese tradition.
post #2530 of 3714
The Wiener Philharmoniker, left to its own devices, sounds like the Wiener Philharmoniker no matter what the score is. It is a beautiful, slightly creamy string-rich sound. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, then you're in trouble.

However, when someone gets them going, they can really burn down the Musikverein. I think many conductors, though I don't know, figure that they have an orchestra as interested in Mahler as Chicago and Cleveland - and act accordingly. That is not the case.

To answer mbhaub's question: the Wiener Philharmoniker has a gorgeous Mahler tone, when properly motivated.
post #2531 of 3714
These are my "Favorites"

M1 Bruno Walter/CBS Solti/LSO/CSO Bernstein/Sony
M2 Kemperer/EMI Solti/CSO MTT/SFSO sacd hybrid
M3 Bernstein/Sony
M4 Maazel/CBS Vienna Solti/CSO Reiner/CSO sacd re-issue
M5 Levine/Philadelphia RCA
M6 Bernstein/Sony
M7 Bernstein/Sony
M8 Solti/CSO
M9 Bernstein/DG Concertgebouw Bruno Walter/Sony

May be more and better out there but not for me.
post #2532 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
The Wiener Philharmoniker, left to its own devices, sounds like the Wiener Philharmoniker no matter what the score is. It is a beautiful, slightly creamy string-rich sound. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, then you're in trouble.

However, when someone gets them going, they can really burn down the Musikverein. I think many conductors, though I don't know, figure that they have an orchestra as interested in Mahler as Chicago and Cleveland - and act accordingly. That is not the case.

To answer mbhaub's question: the Wiener Philharmoniker has a gorgeous Mahler tone, when properly motivated.
I completely agree.

I have the SACD of Kaplan's Mahler Symphony No. 2 performed by the Wiener Philharmoniker. In my opinion, it's very classy stuff. It's a very spiritual, heavenly rendition. The final movement is probably one of the most incredible things I've ever experienced! I had heard this piece before getting this release, but, for some reason, this particular recording was simply out of this world!
post #2533 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Aman
I completely agree.

I have the SACD of Kaplan's Mahler Symphony No. 2 performed by the Wiener Philharmoniker. In my opinion, it's very classy stuff. It's a very spiritual, heavenly rendition. The final movement is probably one of the most incredible things I've ever experienced! I had heard this piece before getting this release, but, for some reason, this particular recording was simply out of this world!
All that you say is true. The Urlicht, despite the fact that I don't find Nadja Michael perfect for it, is about as wonderful as anything I would want to hear. The final movement is up there with Bernstein's, which is one of the very few pieces where I believe that he lived up to the hype.

I think that the correctness and dictatorial nature that Kaplan sort of managed to present with his new score forced the WP into playing the music as Mahler wrote it: luminously. You should read any of a number of Kaplan's interviews on the subject. I don't think that he tolerated any of the WP's traditional institutional inertia. When the basses tear into/take up the "march" theme after bar 191, you really get an apocalyptic sense.

In any event, it is silly to expect Boulez (at 81) to do anything other than that to which he is accustomed. He isn't going to make anything sweat blood.
post #2534 of 3714
"I feel your pain. I just hope the humans all got out ok?"

Yup, everybody survived including our 3 cats.
post #2535 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Solti set often gets lost in the shuffle of FOTM latest 10/10 classictoday rating etc.......but it is a truely great set that for me easily surpasses the new sets like MTT, Chailly, Gielen etc that get all the raves from talking heads. I have commented many times here that Solti's spectacular performance of final movement of M2 is without equal, a revelation of unmatched power and beauty.........best 3 Mahler complete sets for me:

1)Bernstein/Sony
2)Solti/London
3)Kubelik/Audite (must be purchased as individual CDs currently)

So you have done the easy part and scooped up Bernstein & Solti, now with some additional effort (and cost) be sure and obtain the Kubelik/Audite series
(or even the Kubelik/DG studio set)
No more sets for me. I'm going to start cherry picking releases now
I got the Bernstein set today. Really cool way Sony packaged it. The cd's are in stiff paper sleeves that remind me of small LP jackets. The recordings are vastly improved by the way from their CBS counterparts. I'm really glad I have them in my collection.
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