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post #2476 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Bunny
If you get a chance would like to see your updated current top 5 Mahler list for each symphony and see what your top choices are.

PS
May take some time for good new Mahler set to surface........so FOTM status can be sustained for some time.
True enough; however, Hurwitz and others might tire of Bertini and suddenly decide that Bernstein (Sony or DGG), Kubelik (either), or Sinopoli (unlikely, but possible) was the best interpreter. Hurwitz still lists Bernstein and Kubelik (both on DG) as references for complete cycles. In any event, I don't think that it would have to be a new set for a new FOTM. Bertini had been around, in various incarnations, for ten years.
post #2477 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
True enough; however, Hurwitz and others might tire of Bertini and suddenly decide that Bernstein (Sony or DGG), Kubelik (either), or Sinopoli (unlikely, but possible) was the best interpreter. Hurwitz still lists Bernstein and Kubelik (both on DG) as references for complete cycles. In any event, I don't think that it would have to be a new set for a new FOTM. Bertini had been around, in various incarnations, for ten years.
I don't think that anyone is saying that Bertini is a better Mahler interpreter than anyone else. I think the point was that his set is one with excellent sound quality and very few or possibly the fewest weaknesses of any significance. Having heard a really bad Mahler interpretation, I know that bad Mahler, mediocre and indifferent Mahler and super-ordinary Mahler all exist and that there is nothing like that in the set. I love the Kubelik DG set, but I don't love the sound quality of it, especially when I know what can be done nowadays. The same with the Sony Bernstein which does not have top notch sound quality by today's standards. Ideally, I'd love to be able to say there is a Holy Grail box set which has a top interpretations for each symphony and super-duper audio surround sound, but that set doesn't yet exist and I doubt it ever will. And even if it did, it would only be one critic's opinion or 2 or 3 but certainly not every critic's favorite set. Music isn't a science or even a pseudo science. You can't quantify it -- there are very few absolutes when it comes to art. That means that we will all find different things that appeal to us in different ways. We should just relax and enjoy the multitude of choices that we have and stop quibbling over the fact that there are a few dishes on the buffet that we don't like as much. And that also means that if anyone doesn't care for the chopped liver it doesn't mean that the chopped liver isn't perfectly wholesome, excellent, gourmet quality pâté. So there!

Edit: I've been listening to the Lopez-Cobos M3 and have to say it is an excellent reading. I just don't quite understand what Telarc means when it says it is compatible with and can be played on any surround sound system in surround sound. They also say it's a 20 bit digital recording, but it's certainly not SACD. If anyone can enlighten me as to how to access the surround sound on this, please let me know!
post #2478 of 3714
Here's my current top 3 or 4 (mostly in order):

1. Zander, Gielen, MTT (SFSO), Kubelik
2. Kaplan (VPO), Mehta, Klemperer
3. Boulez, Horenstein, Zander, Bertini
4. Abravanel, Reiner, Zander
5. Kondrashin, Barshai, Abravanel
6. Oue, MTT (SFSO), Zander
7. Levine, Bernstein (NYP), Kubelik, Kondrashin
8. Solti, Abravanel, Kubelik
9. Ancerl, Zander, MTT
DL. Klemperer, Reiner, Bertini, Davis
post #2479 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Edit: I've been listening to the Lopez-Cobos M3 and have to say it is an excellent reading. I just don't quite understand what Telarc means when it says it is compatible with and can be played on any surround sound system in surround sound. They also say it's a 20 bit digital recording, but it's certainly not SACD. If anyone can enlighten me as to how to access the surround sound on this, please let me know!
If you play it on Dolby Surround 2.0 (the old Dolby setting before Dolby Digital 5.1) with your home theater, you will get some effects. There aren't really more than 2 channels, it's just a matrixed effect produced by the stereo (presumably with some encoding on the disc). Telarc's discs were a pre-sacd attempt at a surround experience.
post #2480 of 3714
Thanks, Doc! I had tried that but wasn't particularly satisfied with the effect as the Dolby sound isn't as good as the regular 2 channel hd tracks.
post #2481 of 3714
I don't recall who called Bertini "elegant," and I am too lazy to try to find the post.

In any event, I am sure that Bertini will pass. Perhaps Sinopoli will become the new "best complete set," which would surprise me, but one never knows. On that note, I will jump on the wagon and post my top selections. These are in order within the symphonies

M1: Kubelik, Ormandy (w/o "Blumine")
M2: Slatkin, Klemperer, Mehta (WP), Bernstein (DGG)
M3: Boulez, Zander, Mehta
M4: Reiner, Levine, Boulez
M5: Barbirolli, Abbado
M6: Mitropoulos (WDR), Abbado
M7: Bertini, Boulez
M8: Nagano, Solti, Bertini
M9: Ancerl, Von Karajan ('82)
Das Lied: Bernstein, Bertini, Salonen
Das klagende Lied: Boulez
post #2482 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Top 5 list May 2006:

1)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/LSO/Decca Legends + Kubelik/Audite + Scherchen/Westminster + Abbado/CSO/DG
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2)Solti/CSO/London + Bernstein/Sony + Mehta/Decca Legends + Kaplan/Conifer + Litton/Delos
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3)Horenstein/Unicorn + Bernstein/Sony + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Tennstedt/EMI + Solti/London
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4)Szell/Sony + Inbal/Dennon + Levine/RCA + Renier/RCA + Welser Most/EMI + Bernstein/DG
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5)Bernstein/DG + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Sinopoli/DG + Gatti/Musical Heritage + Barshai/Brilliant + Kubelik/Audite
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6)Mitropoulos/EMI Great Conductors + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Eiji Oue/Fontec + Tennstedt/EMI
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7)Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik/Audite + Abbado/CSO/DG + Scherchen/Westminster + Solti/London
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9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Mitropoulos/Music & Arts + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik/Audite
post #2483 of 3714
You know, I was afraid that I would forget some things from my list, and ofcourse the Zubin Mehta M2 went unremarked as did the Barbirolli M3 and Kondrashin M5. One of these days I'll have to go through my collection and rank them in preferred order. Hopefully I'll feel the same way a day later.

With Mahler we have an embarrassment of riches, and I am profoundly greatful for it.

Edit: Actually, I don't know if the Barbirolli will still be there tomorrow or whether that space will go to the Lopez-Cobos.
post #2484 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
Boulez takes the repeat in the first movement of Mahler's 6th.

For what it's worth, I think the Boulez recording is a lot better than the Szell. Boulez is often a cold fellow, but the M6 is such a stark work that he actually relaxes some, becomes more yielding, more human. There's even rubato in places, and maybe even-- heaven forbid!-- some warmth. But it is still Boulez: Brilliant and lucid like no other account.

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Revisiting the Boulez M6 after quite a time I found it to be very enjoyable. Even though his tempos are faster than I normally like, Boulez was still had no trouble allowing Mahler to speak fully. Usually I have a hard time with fast Mahler, but in this case, everything sounded right, even with the tempi he chose.

The 2nd movement had the perfect amount of weight as compared to the 1st movement. I know I've said this before, but oftentimes, the 1st and 2nd movement tend to gloss together if not enough attention is given to the 2nd movement.

Everything was in it's right place in the 3rd movement. Definately warm, but never too hot. (though "hot" is fine in this movement if done correctly). I think what makes it all work is that Boulez brings a great sense of proportion to his version. Even though he might go faster at times, it still sounds *right* and, most importantly, definately sounds like Mahler.

Same with the last movement. It was all there, laid out perfectly. I prefer the last section (before the big chord) to be more sinister-sounding, but that wouldn't have fit with his vision. There were no times when I thought "he totally misses the point there!" - it all sounded right to me.

Maybe overall his Mahler is hit-and-miss, but with the M6 he really does have a clear vision and presents the work in a way that really draws you into the spirit of Mahler.. I really felt *connected* with the music.

One more thing: This would make an *excellent* first Mahler 6th, for those who don't have a recording of the work yet. Mark used the term "lucid" to describe it. A perfect description of this interpretation.

-jar
post #2485 of 3714
Boulez' M6 is probably his most successful recording in this series. Too often, I think, there is a tendency to get carried away with the 6th. Boulez holds back, but still gives line where it's appropriate, and the record benefits as a result. The more I listen to it, the more I like the Abbado II. Similar approach, but the emotional side (i.e., resigned vs. lucid) is a little more in line with my attitudes in general.

If I want fire, there's always Mitropoulos.
post #2486 of 3714
After having spent some time with Bertini Mahler set, I'd call it my favorite "all arounder" with DLVDE being the absolute highlight of the set. I keep going back to it time and again. For a live recording it sounds WONDERFUL. I am glad I bought the set, solid perfomances IMHO from stem to stern, with DLVDE being the cherry on top.

Scott
post #2487 of 3714
Darn you all! After all this talk about the Bertini set, I spent more of my children's inheritance, broke down and ordered it. It'll make the 10th complete Mahler set, the last thing I needed, but you all have convinced me.
post #2488 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
Darn you all! After all this talk about the Bertini set, I spent more of my children's inheritance, broke down and ordered it. It'll make the 10th complete Mahler set, the last thing I needed, but you all have convinced me.
Welcome to the club! So sorry about your wallet, but I ordered the Prokofieff set earlier, so you see, I feel your pain.
post #2489 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Welcome to the club! So sorry about your wallet, but I ordered the Prokofieff set earlier, so you see, I feel your pain.
Indeed, this place is bad for the wallet, but great for the music collection.
post #2490 of 3714
I've just finished making my way through the Bernstein box set on Sony, which I acquired a month ago. It's my first complete Mahler set - I'm just getting into this composer. The only previous Mahler I've heard is a couple of symphonies and the Das Lied by Klemperer, and the Scherchen recording of the 9th and Kindertotenlieder.

Not much to say - I'm blown away by the Bernstein 9th, which just finished playing. Me likey.

At $40-60, the whole set seems to be a really great value.
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