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post #2146 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Order Oue M6 on the 5th from Amazon.co.jp, arrived today. That's not too bad!
Just for our info: how in the world did you manage to navigate the Tower Japan site? Even clicking on the In English link the whole thing is a meaningless jumble.
post #2147 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
Just for our info: how in the world did you manage to navigate the Tower Japan site? Even clicking on the In English link the whole thing is a meaningless jumble.
I used Amazon.co.jp , not Tower, it wasn't too bad after I figured out how to enter an internation address. If you have experience with the amazon.com checkout system you can limp by.
post #2148 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
Just for our info: how in the world did you manage to navigate the Tower Japan site? Even clicking on the In English link the whole thing is a meaningless jumble.
I signed up with Tower.jp, but found the shipping cost much higher than Amazon.jp. So, I went with the latter.
post #2149 of 3714
Sorry, I meant Amazon! I hit In English and it's still undecipherable. Has anyone else tried this?
post #2150 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
DA,

Surely you mean "apotheosis" rather than "apocalypse"? I can't think of the 2nd in apocalyptic terms with its message of faith and resurrection.
There is confusion as to what the ending of M2 really is......the name "resurrection symphony" comes from the choral singing of the adapted "resurrection ode" near end of symphony but not really an accurate desription of symphony's climatic finale.

The actual climax ending is really a day of judgement (biblically known as apocalypse) but has a Mahler twist and performed as long drawn out powerful cresendo to higher level of spiritual exaltation, a communion between all men and thier creator........an astonishing overwhelmingly powerful scence to musically pull off.

In Mahler's vision no reward/punishment is dealt out, but instead enlightenment and immortality await mankind from a merciful creator at the end of his long journey, thus we see an optimistic Mahler at work here.

Look at the painting of this climax depicted on Rattle M2:

post #2151 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
Sorry, I meant Amazon! I hit In English and it's still undecipherable. Has anyone else tried this?
The vast majority stays in Japanese, need to find what you are looking for and add it, after that it's very much like the standard Amazon checkout. Lots of Japanese still, but enough english to get the order in.

Scott
post #2152 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
There is confusion as to what the ending of M2 really is......the name "resurrection symphony" comes from the choral singing of the adapted "resurrection ode" near end of symphony but not really an accurate desription of symphony's climatic finale.

The actual climax ending is really a day of judgement (biblically known as apocalypse) but has a Mahler twist and performed as long drawn out powerful cresendo to higher level of spiritual exaltation, a communion between all men and thier creator........an astonishing overwhelmingly powerful scence to musically pull off.

In Mahler's vision no reward/punishment is dealt out, but instead enlightenment and immortality await mankind from a merciful creator at the end of his long journey, thus we see an optimistic Mahler at work here.

Look at the painting of this climax depicted on Rattle M2:

Considering that apotheosis means to glorify, exalt or bring to god-like existance, transform to a god, or to make one with god, I think it a bit more apt than apocalypse which means imminent destruction of the world with salvation for only the righteous. Where there is no punishment there can be no apocalypse.
post #2153 of 3714
Speaking in terms of Greek, apokalupsis means "an uncovering, a revelation." It comes from the verb, apokalupto, which means "to uncover; to disclose, reveal; to reveal one's whole mind." Obviously, we get "apocalypse" from these words and it carries - literally - their meaning. Thus, an apocalypse of any sort is a revelation.

In the eschatological sense, I think that - given the understanding of the word to a Koine writer - the Apocalypse refers to the full revelation of the overall plan. In which case, given Mahler's unique conception of that plan (i.e., one of universal enlightment and communion), his ending is apocalyptic. That is to say, the plan to unite and glorify humanity is revealed. Now, there is a somewhat less positive meaning for "Apocalypse," which comes from the dramatic events described in the Apocalypse of John (or "Revelation"). However, there is no negative connotation to the original author for the word.

That having been said, they just rereleased Rattle's M2 on an EMI GROTC set. It's not bad. I don't care for his concept, but I cannot deny that - at that point - he managed to do his job reasonably well.
post #2154 of 3714
Will DA Be tempted, even with his new favorite M2

post #2155 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Will DA Be tempted, even with his new favorite M2

Still too expensive ($22.98) for a recording that's not in SACD or other enhanced format. It's one of the better Mahler recordings that Rattle has managed to produce. His 10th (Cooke) completion is still his best work.
post #2156 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Will DA Be tempted, even with his new favorite M2
Yes DA is very tempted......even though I like a couple other M2s more, the Rattle M2 is in my top 5 list. The ART remaster used by EMI for GROTC series would make a sound upgrade I suspect to old CD release, I can sell old CD and buy new for just small dent to wallet.

Quite an admission for Bunny to give Rattle some praise for his M2 after the searing accounts of some of his other Mahler performances, he he.
post #2157 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Yes DA is very tempted......even though I like a couple other M2s more, the Rattle M2 is in my top 5 list. The ART remaster used by EMI for GROTC series would make a sound upgrade I suspect to old CD release, I can sell old CD and buy new for just small dent to wallet.

Quite an admission for Bunny to give Rattle some praise for his M2 after the searing accounts of some of his other Mahler performances, he he.
It's worth it just to hear what all the fuss is about. Frankly, Rattle didn't do anything that Bernstein didn't do considerably better a couple years later. In fact, I can even say that I prefer Ozawa's new M2 to the Rattle.

This is from my perspective. I think I am the last guy to hear the Rattle M2.
post #2158 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
In fact, I can even say that I prefer Ozawa's new M2 to the Rattle.
Ozawa has a new M2?
post #2159 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Still too expensive ($22.98) for a recording that's not in SACD or other enhanced format. It's one of the better Mahler recordings that Rattle has managed to produce. His 10th (Cooke) completion is still his best work.
Actuall they old version went for $32! So this is remastered sound AND a lower price. But if Rattle isn't your cup of tea, then it's not worth it.
post #2160 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Ozawa has a new M2?
No, it's the same recording from 2000. It's relatively new, compared to his Boston set. I probably should have been clearer.
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