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post #2086 of 3714
Recently I have been going over my current collection for Das Lied von der Erde (DLVDE from this point point on), here is what I have currently:

Ferrier/Patzak/Walter (Decca Legends Remaster) -- I like the Orchestral part, though the sound though remastered is far from wonderful.

Baker/King/Haitink -- This I really like, all around I have always like Baker on Mahler lieder, thus far this is the favorite for me. Sound is pretty darned good.

Fassbaender/Arazia/Giulini -- While not my favorite it is an interesting listen. Haven't spent a lot of time with this one

Miller/Haefliger/Walter --- Better sound than the above Walter, but the soloists involved don't really impress me. Serviceable is what I'd call it.

That's it...so I am interested in other peoples favorites on this piece, which i think counts as a symphony
post #2087 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
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Welcome to team Mahler, Tyson and I have been discussing Abbado's early VPO and CSO Mahler works during last month......I have acquired every Abbado CSO performance I could find and have many of his VPO versions from complete Abbado set sold now.

Strange that you find M6 less desireable.....especially if you like M5 & M7, I'm sure eventually you will grow to like it, just give it some time.
Thanks for the welcome DarkAngel. I've revisited M6 several times over the years still it remains the one that doesn't find a way to move me as the others do. Hopefully someday I'll get it.

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Originally Posted by scottder
Baker/King/Haitink -- This I really like, all around I have always like Baker on Mahler lieder, thus far this is the favorite for me. Sound is pretty darned good.
ditto
post #2088 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Das Lied von der Erde
I am interested in other peoples favorites on this piece, which i think counts as a symphony
Das Lied is amazing... possibly my favorite Mahler work, although it's a fierce competition between DL, 5, 6, and 9.

I think the Ferrier/Patzak/Walter has a lot of great qualities, but I've never quite been able to buy the "legendary" status some give it.

The Baker/King/Haitink is right up there among the top three-- Surely Haitink's greatest moment as a Mahler conductor.

Fassbaender/Araiza/Giulini is very good, but doesn't quite catch fire. Perhaps the same performers on a different occasion...

Miller/Haefliger/Walter is good. The singers are fine if not as distinctive as some. The main attraction is Walter's Indian summer gentleness.

Wunderlich/Ludwig/Klemperer is one of the greats. Wunderlich sings with high spirits and Ludwig captures the vulnerability of the 'Abschied.' Klemperer doesn't bother to smooth things out (a la Giulini, for instance) so some might be uncomfortable with the rough edges here. But those also allow for raw emotional edges.

The live BBC Mitchison/Hodgson/Horenstein is probably the one I would ultimately tap as the greatest I've heard. Some won't like it, because Horenstein takes much slower tempos than most, stretching the music into altered states only hinted at by other performances. But it is incredibly potent, and makes most others seem lightweight. The BBC Northern Symphony has never been a first-rank ensemble, but Horenstein asked for extra rehearsals for this concert, and they gave it to him, thus making possible their (and Horenstein's) greatest recording ever.

Others:
Kullmann/Thorborg//Walter/VPO 36: Nice intensity, though too fast
Schreier/Finnila//Sanderling/Berlin SO: Not bad, but always gloomy
Cassilly/Chookasian//Susskind/Cincinnati SO: Warmly autumnal
Norman/Jerusalem//Levine/BPO: About as vulnerable as tank armor
Kmentt/Ludwig//C. Kleiber/VSO 67: Restless. Mahler wasn't Kleiber's thing
Heppner/Lipovsek//Bertini/Cologne RSO: OK singers, great conducting
Schreier/Van Nes//Inbal/FRSO: I haven't yet listened to.

Among the tenor/baritone recordings:
Domingo/Skovhus//Salonen/LAPO: Cool and clear
King/Fischer-Dieskau//Bernstein/VPO: Very good, but...
Wunderlich/Fischer-Dieskau//Keilberth/Bamberg SO 64: This live recording isn't in good sound but the performance is truly great, and it isn't just because the soloists were having a field day. Keilberth was never a flashy conductor, but during moments like this, he could cause lightning to strike. This one pops up on bargain historical labels and the like. My copy is on "Classica d'Oro."
post #2089 of 3714
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Originally Posted by SomeoneElse
Thanks for the welcome DarkAngel. I've revisited M6 several times over the years still it remains the one that doesn't find a way to move me as the others do. Hopefully someday I'll get it.
M6 takes just the right reading for everything to fall into place. For me, Oue/Fontec is doing it now.
post #2090 of 3714
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Originally Posted by SomeoneElse
Thanks for the welcome DarkAngel. I've revisited M6 several times over the years still it remains the one that doesn't find a way to move me as the others do. Hopefully someday I'll get it.
Hi Someone Else! Welcome to the thread and sorry about your wallet...

For Mahler 6, try a different recording. I find Szell way too uptight to make the M6 really catch fire. I respect his recording, but I never have liked it much. If you can get it, the recent Eiji Oue recording on Fontec is awesome, but an excellent more widely available disc would be Benjamin Zander on Telarc.

mark
post #2091 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
M6 takes just the right reading for everything to fall into place. For me, Oue/Fontec is doing it now.
I can't wait for mine to arrive.
post #2092 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
Das Lied is amazing... possibly my favorite Mahler work, although it's a fierce competition between DL, 5, 6, and 9.
I have what might be considered a real rarity - Reiner/CSO doing DLVDE with Maureen Forrester and Richard Lewis on vinyl.

But Klemperer is still my favorite. Nobody beats Wunderlich.

I want to hear the Oue/Reference - it's on my to-buy list.
post #2093 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
I have what might be considered a real rarity - Reiner/CSO doing DLVDE with Maureen Forrester and Richard Lewis on vinyl.

But Klemperer is still my favorite. Nobody beats Wunderlich.

I want to hear the Oue/Reference - it's on my to-buy list.
Is this one and the same?

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/...&comp_id=14812
post #2094 of 3714
Oh, and I forgot this one:

Lewis/Baker//Szell/Cleveland Orch: A very good one, with Szell more relaxed and flexible than was sometimes the case.

Doc's post triggered the Szell memory (same tenor). I think I have that Reiner on tape around here somewhere. I recall it as being a little too efficient for my taste.

I also seem to recall a tape of a Barenboim Das Lied, which wasn't bad, although it seemed a bit on the subdued and resigned side.
post #2095 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
Oh, and I forgot this one:

Lewis/Baker//Szell/Cleveland Orch: A very good one, with Szell more relaxed and flexible than was sometimes the case.

Doc's post triggered the Szell memory (same tenor). I think I have that Reiner on tape around here somewhere. I recall it as being a little too efficient for my taste.

I also seem to recall a tape of a Barenboim Das Lied, which wasn't bad, although it seemed a bit on the subdued and resigned side.
It seems a difficult piece to conduct, riding the line between powerful and autumnal. Now wonder Mahler showed Walter the final movement and said 'Do you know how to conduct this? I don't!' (paraphrasing).
post #2096 of 3714
My favorite Das Lied von der Erde, as long as we're on the subject, is the Bernstein/VPO recording with Fischer-Dieskau and James King. Despite my preference for Pierre Boulez' Mahler, there is something about Das Lied that requires an over-the-top emotionalism.

Finally got the Bertini set, by the by (including a M7). It is as good as everyone seems to think it is. However, I still have my favorites (usually Pierre Boulez) in most of the individual symphonies.
post #2097 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
Hi Someone Else! Welcome to the thread and sorry about your wallet...

For Mahler 6, try a different recording. I find Szell way too uptight to make the M6 really catch fire. I respect his recording, but I never have liked it much. If you can get it, the recent Eiji Oue recording on Fontec is awesome, but an excellent more widely available disc would be Benjamin Zander on Telarc.

mark
Thanks for the tips Mark. I know last time I was listening to the Szell, I'm going to go back an listen to the Kubelik version from the set I have.

BTW, I'm originally from Cleveland. Unfortunately I wasn't exposed to classical music while growing up there and didn't start going to concerts until I moved to the Bay Area in the late 60's so never heard Szell conduct.
post #2098 of 3714
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Originally Posted by SomeoneElse
Thanks for the tips Mark. I know last time I was listening to the Szell, I'm going to go back an listen to the Kubelik version from the set I have.

BTW, I'm originally from Cleveland. Unfortunately I wasn't exposed to classical music while growing up there and didn't start going to concerts until I moved to the Bay Area in the late 60's so never heard Szell conduct.
Hi SomeoneElse,

welcome, etc.

Sorry you never got to hear Szell conduct as that really would have been something!

It's interesting that you haven't been able to get into the M6. Szell isn't the best introduction to that symphony as his interpretation is very cold and and lacking fire. The Kubelik is much more to my liking but as noted before, the Oué is really the best of the pack for me. However it's expensive and a pain to order as it's only available from Japanese sources. If you are going to invest in another Mahler cycle, then consider the Bertini as it also includes a fine Das Lied von der Erde, the M6 is really a great reading as well, and the M7 is probably my favorite recording of that work.

For other really tight performances of the M6 try any of the following recommendations. The Levi/Atlanta SO which can be picked up fairly cheaply at Amazon shares a fast tempo with the Kubelik and has good intensity and really sharp hammerblows. It's also a digital recording so there's no tape hiss. It skips the first exposition repeat too so it fits on one cd like the Kubelik and Szell.

However, if you want a more expansive version of the symphony the Zander or Michael Tilson Thomas recordings are quite good, especially the MTT which has a lot of emotion in it as it was culled from San Francisco performances made right after 9/11. Those are probably the best recordings from MTT's Mahler cycle, perhaps because they have that emotional edge that his other symphony recordings have smoothed out. It's an expensive recording as it's released on the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra's own label and it's only been released as SACD/hybrid but the sq. is excellent.

If you aren't fussy about sound quality, then you should definitely look for Dmitri Mitropoulos's recording (skips repeat) which is monophonic made in Germany just before he died. That's part of the Great Conductors of the 20th Century recordings.
post #2099 of 3714
I am going to throw in a recommendation for the new Abbado/Berlin 6th on DGG. It isn't terribly popular for a whole host of reasons, but I find it to be the most interesting interpretation I have heard.

It isn't as dramatic as some would like (and, probably, as dramatic as the 6th should be); however, the sense of quiet resignation really resonates with me. This isn't the 6th of a hero struggling with fate; this is the 6th of a man accepting his fate. Abbado's clarity and precision really help too; however, if you're interested in absolute orchestral clarity, Pierre Boulez is - once again - my recommendation.

This disc is worth a look, to my way of thinking. The 6th is probably the toughest nut for me to crack, too (though the 8th isn't far behind).
post #2100 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
I am going to throw in a recommendation for the new Abbado/Berlin 6th on DGG. It isn't terribly popular for a whole host of reasons, but I find it to be the most interesting interpretation I have heard.

It isn't as dramatic as some would like (and, probably, as dramatic as the 6th should be); however, the sense of quiet resignation really resonates with me. This isn't the 6th of a hero struggling with fate; this is the 6th of a man accepting his fate. Abbado's clarity and precision really help too; however, if you're interested in absolute orchestral clarity, Pierre Boulez is - once again - my recommendation.

This disc is worth a look, to my way of thinking. The 6th is probably the toughest nut for me to crack, too (though the 8th isn't far behind).
Hi PSmith,

How do you feel about taking the Andante second?

How does the Szell compare to the Boulez? Does Boulez take the repeat? I always thought that they would be very similar because they both were real sticklers for total accuracy of score performance.
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