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post #1816 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
Yeah, that's true. I wish Furtwangler had conducted more Mahler. We need to find a mad scientist to reanimate Furtwangler.
Had Wilhelm Furtwängler lived ten or fifteen more years, I think that he would have done some fantastic things. Perhaps a good, stereo Ring and some Mahler. His post-war frame of mind, while it was the mindset of a man broken by fate, seemingly would have gone well with Mahler.
post #1817 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
Had Wilhelm Furtwängler lived ten or fifteen more years, I think that he would have done some fantastic things. Perhaps a good, stereo Ring and some Mahler. His post-war frame of mind, while it was the mindset of a man broken by fate, seemingly would have gone well with Mahler.
Very possible. He had some interesting comments about Mahler in his notebooks.
post #1818 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
the musicians tend to look very dispassionate about whatever they are playing. I didn't see anyone in the orchestra smiling except for the reeds after Mozart's Gran Partita and one flautist after the Mozart piano concerto. When I heard the M4, they all looked tired and numb, not like the broad smiles and col legno applause that greeted Ivan Fischer after the M1 from the Budapest Festival Orchestra or the applause for Barenboim from the Chicago SO after the M5.
This often bugs me at live concerts. Musicians on stage need to remember that they are not playing in a vacuum. Their physical presence and behavior is a part of the performance, too. Anyone who is not actively contributing to the emotional focus of the music by paying attention, listening, reacting, and being interested is actively (even if unintentionally) detracting from it.
post #1819 of 3714
Mark,

Please don't misunderstand me. During the performance there were plenty of physical movements as they concentrated on the music. I'm referring to how they looked after the music stopped, and they don't look like an ensemble that is happy to be playing together (with the exception of the wind ensemble for the Gran Partita) or happy playing with Rattle. The Noesis was a difficult, abstract work that required utmost concentration from the musicians. There were no smiles of relief or expressions of accomplishment on the faces after that. Just a numb expression that in my mind expressed the thought, "We've finally finished this, now what more can this turkey ask of me?" Note, I didn't write "us" because I don't think that these players are thinking "ensemble" so much. There didn't seem to be a spirit of comraderie evidenced although as someone in the audience I am not privy to what goes on backstage. The orchestra also seemed very happy to be exiting the stage and were not in the least eager to stay and take extra bows (only Sir Simon and Lady Simon were into the scant applause).
post #1820 of 3714
I've seen a new recording of M5 conducted by Yuri Temirkanov in St. Petersburg? Has anyone heard it? He can be great, at least when he's sober. And being Russian doesn't instantly consign one to the lower rankings of Mahler (think Kondrashin, not Svetlanov). Just wondering. I picked up another obscure Mahler 5 with Fabio Luisi -- to the used cd store with it!
post #1821 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
I've seen a new recording of M5 conducted by Yuri Temirkanov in St. Petersburg? Has anyone heard it? He can be great, at least when he's sober. And being Russian doesn't instantly consign one to the lower rankings of Mahler (think Kondrashin, not Svetlanov). Just wondering. I picked up another obscure Mahler 5 with Fabio Luisi -- to the used cd store with it!
I just read the editorial blurb. If only it is half as good as the description. the one review mentions a cough at the beginning of the adagietto -- could you think of a worst place to have a cough in a live performance? Especially one that is "VERY noticeable"! The clips that they supply really don't give much of an impression of the piece. I'll have to wait until Hurwitz reviews it.
post #1822 of 3714
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Updates to top 5 Mahler list:

1)Bernstein/DG + Solti/LSO/Decca Legends + Kubelik/Audite + Horenstein/Unicorn + Gielen/Hanssler
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2)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/CSO/London + Rattle/EMI + Mehta/Decca Legends + Litton/Delos + Kaplan/Conifer
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3)Horenstein/Unicorn + Bernstein/Sony + Barbirolli/BBC Legends + Solti/London + Boulez/DG
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4)Szell/Sony + Renier/RCA + Inbal/Dennon + Bernstein/DG + Levine/RCA
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5)Bernstein/DG + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Sinopoli/DG + Gatti/Musical Heritage + Barbirolli/EMI GROTC
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6)Mitropoulos/EMI Great Conductors 20th + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Szell/Sony +Solti/London
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7)Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik/Audite + Abbado/CSO/DG
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9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik Audite + Karajan/DG (live)
post #1823 of 3714
DarkAngel,

You have been busy!

Gielen's M1 has made the list! It's probably one of the top recordings in his cycle.

It would seem that there has been some re-evaluation of the Litton M2? You had found it rather flat before. Also, don't you find that Rattle's tempos are a bit slow? Someone else recommended that to me over the weekend.

I am surprised that there is no mention of the Chailly M3. Although the tempos tend to be a bit broader this is an excellent reading that perhaps you should re-visit. Bertini also gives an excellent reading of this symphony.

I have to agree with the inclusion of the Levine M4 on the list. It is probably the plushest and most sensual 4th that I've ever heard, and the singing is just tops. I have also added the Bertini 4th to my list.

What do you think of the Barshai 5th? It has such great intensity. Here Bertini really shines as well.

Well, you don't have the Oué M6 to listen to. It has the fast tempos of Mitropoulos and Levi in the opening and scherzo, but also incredible lyricism that cannot be matched. His slow movement breaks my heart. Btw, I also would have to include the Bertini M6 in there as well.

Have to agree, the Kubelik M7s are my favorites along with the Bernstein (sony).

What about the M8? Don't care for it? Not even the Kubelik or Solti?

For the M9 there is also a recording by Donald Judd with a student orchestra that is available fairly reasonably that is the most surprising entry! Really great intensity and fine playing from a young orchestra. Here's a link. I also wonder that you don't include Chailly's M9 which is excellent despite the broader tempos. Bertini also does a great job with this one as well.

Wow, it would seem that I am really enjoying the Bertini cycle!
post #1824 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Wow, it would seem that I am really enjoying the Bertini cycle!
It seems like I might actually have to break down and buy this one. Everyone seems to like it, even the blowhard David Hurwitz.
post #1825 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Not done yet either, two more complete Mahler sets coming:
-Bertini/EMI
-Abbado/DG (1980's VPO/CSO performances)

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Gielen's M1 has made the list! It's probably one of the top recordings in his cycle.
Gielen M1 is on the bubble, mainly hurt by weaker overall Mahler set which weighs on my decision to a small extent.

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It would seem that there has been some re-evaluation of the Litton M2? You had found it rather flat before. Also, don't you find that Rattle's tempos are a bit slow? Someone else recommended that to me over the weekend.
I have always been impressed with Litton's M2 with fabulous Delos sound, unfortunately nothing else he has done in Mahler is nearly as impressive.

Rattle's M2 was done 20 years ago and has tremendous power and drama, again much more than his other Mahler works especially recent work. This is one case where talking head critics are correct in universal praise.

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I am surprised that there is no mention of the Chailly M3. Although the tempos tend to be a bit broader this is an excellent reading that perhaps you should re-visit. Bertini also gives an excellent reading of this symphony.
Have not heard Chailly M3, but reviews lead me to believe it is too broad/relaxed for my tastes.

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I have to agree with the inclusion of the Levine M4 on the list. It is probably the plushest and most sensual 4th that I've ever heard, and the singing is just tops. I have also added the Bertini 4th to my list.
Levine/RCA M4 was great recent find, very little Mahler available by Levine for some reason.

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What do you think of the Barshai 5th? It has such great intensity. Here Bertini really shines as well.
Never heard the Barshai M5.......if you meant Gatti M5 it is perfect match for me and fits like a glove with my other top 5 M5s delivering all the manic energy and drama one needs to fully deliver the goods in M5

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Well, you don't have the Oué M6 to listen to. It has the fast tempos of Mitropoulos and Levi in the opening and scherzo, but also incredible lyricism that cannot be matched. His slow movement breaks my heart. Btw, I also would have to include the Bertini M6 in there as well.
I may very well like the Oue M6, but too hard/expensive to obtain. I like to pick the low hanging fruit first, many great versions easy to obtain.

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Have to agree, the Kubelik M7s are my favorites along with the Bernstein (sony).
You are preaching to the choir here, they are great for sure.

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What about the M8? Don't care for it? Not even the Kubelik or Solti?
Don't listen enough to M8 to make detailed picks of various versions.

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For the M9 there is also a recording by Donald Judd with a student orchestra that is available fairly reasonably that is the most surprising entry! Really great intensity and fine playing from a young orchestra. Here's a link. I also wonder that you don't include Chailly's M9 which is excellent despite the broader tempos. Bertini also does a great job with this one as well.
Usually any M9 that does not fit on 1CD (80 minutes) is too slow and ponderous for me therefore no Chailly.......small exception currently for Karajan Live M9, but it is on the bubble with so many great sub 80 minute M9s.
post #1826 of 3714
The Barshai M5 is one of the great ones. Here's a link. I am sure you will enjoy this, and the prices are very good.



Are you accepting pms? Please pm me if you are.

I presume this is the Rattle M2 you refer to -- The one with the CBSO? Right now the price is a little rich for one, stereo not SACD performance. If it was re-released as part of the EMI GROC series, I can't find it at this point. I do have to tell you that if it's anything like his M4, where he plays with the tempo to the point of completely sapping all of the energy from the symphony (same type performance last week) then I don't want it.

post #1827 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
The Barshai M5 is one of the great ones. Here's a link. I am sure you will enjoy this, and the prices are very good.
Barshai M5 is on the way.............the Rattle M2 shown has all the high drama, passion, and vibrant energy you could want in an M2. Back then Rattle was young idealistic firebrand making a name for himself.......created a huge buzz when first came out along with Kaplan/Conifer in mid 1980's.
post #1828 of 3714
DA, let me know what you think of the early Abbado set when you get it in. It is probably my favorite overall cycle. Very consistent performances.
post #1829 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
It seems like I might actually have to break down and buy this one. Everyone seems to like it, even the blowhard David Hurwitz.
If you love Boulez you will adore this one. Bertini was also an objectivist, and the sound quality on these recordings is amazing. You won't find more transparent orchestral textures anywhere.
post #1830 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tyson
DA, let me know what you think of the early Abbado set when you get it in. It is probably my favorite overall cycle. Very consistent performances.
Ha ha........when have I ever kept my fellow mahlerites in the dark, of course impressions will follow upon listening.

Bertini/EMI complete set
has arrived and off to great start with 6,9 so far, amazingly good sound I must agree with Bunny here. The layout of symphonies is maddening with only two complete symphonies on 1CD, all others spread all over the place including M4 on two CDs!

The drama/energy level is a bit muted compared to Bernstein, Kondrashin, Ancerl, Mitropoulos etc but nicely balanced and highly dramatic/passionate when needed, more exciting than Gielen/new MTT/new Chailly etc for sure.......somewhat similar to Kubelik's style but too early to make any comparisons just yet, must do my homework.........
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