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post #1516 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Where are you performing? Here in NY the Philharmonic hardly schedules any Mahler and all of my Mahler concerts are touring orchestras at Carnegie Hall. Both Barenboim with the CSO and Eschenbach with the Philadelphia Orchestra are doing Mahler (Barenboim doing the 5th and Eschenbach doing the 6th) in November, for instance. However, for every Mahler concert there is more Beethoven and Mozart. Andras Schiff is doing Mozart with an ensemble he put together just for the purpose later in the year. It's true that Mahler is much better represented than in the past but still, Beethoven and the other warhorses are what really sell the tickets. They even called me from Carnegie Hall to say that prime seats had been released by development because they just weren't attractive enough for the wealthy donors.
Pierre Boulez famously ran into this problem, as I am sure you know, when he was briefly music director of the NYPO. In fact, as I recall, he ended up mixing programs so that the patrons would be placated and he could remain true to his avant-garde sensibilities. In fact, I think Boulez's Handel disc resulted from his time as NYPO peacemaker-general.
post #1517 of 3714
Yes, it is sad that the NYPO which was Mahler's orchestra when he worked in the USA now hardly ever schedules Mahler. This year it was scheduled at the end of the season, and they never perform the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th. The early symphonies, especially the first two get the playtime. Ofcourse, I can't complain about having to hear Mahler in Carnegie Hall as that is the stage where he actually conducted and his ghost is supposed to be present everytime his works are performed there.
post #1518 of 3714
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Originally Posted by PSmith08
Pierre Boulez famously ran into this problem, as I am sure you know, when he was briefly music director of the NYPO. In fact, as I recall, he ended up mixing programs so that the patrons would be placated and he could remain true to his avant-garde sensibilities. In fact, I think Boulez's Handel disc resulted from his time as NYPO peacemaker-general.
Dohnanyi used to do that a lot, he loved to throw difficult modern pieces right next to Beethoven, Mozart, etc.

One time he programmed Webern's 6 Pieces for Orchestra right before a Mozart concerto. I just love seeing the look on people's faces when a Webern piece is performed.. you kind of get this collective.. "WTF?"

And yet, Webern's music is nearly a century old now..



-jar
post #1519 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Yes, it is sad that the NYPO which was Mahler's orchestra when he worked in the USA now hardly ever schedules Mahler. This year it was scheduled at the end of the season, and they never perform the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th. The early symphonies, especially the first two get the playtime. Ofcourse, I can't complain about having to hear Mahler in Carnegie Hall as that is the stage where he actually conducted and his ghost is supposed to be present everytime his works are performed there.
We've got a Welsner-Most Mahler 9th coming up next month here in Cleveland. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make it though.

-jar
post #1520 of 3714
Hopefully Mahler will keep FWM interested. Too bad you will be missing it.
post #1521 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masonjar
Dohnanyi used to do that a lot, he loved to throw difficult modern pieces right next to Beethoven, Mozart, etc.

One time he programmed Webern's 6 Pieces for Orchestra right before a Mozart concerto. I just love seeing the look on people's faces when a Webern piece is performed.. you kind of get this collective.. "WTF?"

And yet, Webern's music is nearly a century old now..



-jar
Sometimes that works, other times it doesn't. I went to a concert where they put Copland Variations and Rach piano concerto 2 on before the intermission and the Shosta 15 after the intermission and the hall was half empty after the intermission. Usually in NY Shostakovich gets good attendance but it was a funded concert with tickets given out by a corporate sponsor. Rach is always popular but Mahler and Shosta still need help.
post #1522 of 3714

List your ONE favorite recording of each symphony

List your ONE favorite recording of each symphony:

Unfair and difficult I know. Also changable by the moment - but here are mine (as of this exact point in time - could change tomorrow):

1. Gielen
2. Kaplan VPO
3. Horenstein
4. Abravanel
5. Kondrashin
6. MTT
7. Bernstein NY Sony
8. Solti
DLVDE: Klemperer
9. Zander
10. Rattle

Wow - I just realized - no two by the same conductor!

Others?
post #1523 of 3714
1. Kubelik
2. Mehta
3. Boulez
4. Reiner
5. Barbirolli
6. Abbado BPO
7. Abbado CSO
8. Solti
DLvdE: Bernstein VPO
9. Von Karajan (Live in '82)

Two entries from Abbado, but I have felt that his '84 DGG 7th is as close to definitive as possible. His recent SACD 6th is one of the good ones too, I sense that his recent bout with cancer has restored some of his vigor.
post #1524 of 3714
Thread Starter 
1)Bernstein/DG
2)Bernstein/Sony
3)Horenstein/Unicorn
4)Szell/Sony
5)Bernstein/DG
6)Mitropoulos/Great Conductors 20th Century
7)Kondrashin/Melodiya
8)Solti/Decca Legends
9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold

Expanded
1)Bernstein/DG + Solti/LSO/Decca Legends + Kubelik/Audite
2)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/CSO/London + Rattle/EMI + Mehta/Decca Legends
3)Horenstein/Unicorn + Bernstein/Sony + Rattle/EMI + Barbirolli/BBC Legends
4)Szell/Sony + Renier/RCA + Inbal/Dennon + Bernstein/DG
5)Bernstein/DG + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Sinopoli/DG + Gatti/Musical Heritage
6)Mitropoulos/Great Conductors 20th + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Szell/Sony
7)Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Solti/London + Kubelik/Audite
8)Solti/Decca Legends
9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/BPO/DG (live)
post #1525 of 3714
Modern:
1) Maazel/CBS Vienna
2) Blomstedt/London
3) Lopez Cobos/Telarc
4) Maazel/CBS
5) Sinopoli/DG
6) Barbirolli/EMI
7) Kondrashin/Tahra
8) Kubelik/DG
9) Levine/RCA
10) Slatkin/RCA
DLvDE) Maazel/RCA

Historical:
1) Mitropoulos/Minneapolis
2) Ormandy/Minneapolis
3) Mitropoulos/NY
4) Walter/Sony
5) Walter/Sony
6) Mitropoulos/Koln Radio
7) Rosbaud/Vox
8) Flipse/Rotterdam
9) Walter/Vienna
10) Scherchen/Westminster
DLvDE) Walter/Decca
post #1526 of 3714
1. Solti - Chicago SO
2. Ormandy - Philadelphia (yes! it's GOOD!!)
3. Bernstein - NYP (CBS)
4. Reiner - Chicago
5. Levine - Philadelphia
6. Tennstedt - LPO
7. Thomas - LSO
8. Tennstedt - LPO
9. Giulini - Chicago SO
post #1527 of 3714
Worst Mahler recordings... (just for fun)
1) Emil Tabakov/Capriccio
2) Jansons/Chandos
3) Solti/Decca
4) ?
5) Bernstein/DG
6) Haitink/Philips
7) Masur/Berlin Classics
8) Maazel/Sony
9) Solti/Decca
10) Farberman/Golden String
DLvDE) ?
post #1528 of 3714
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbhaub
Worst Mahler recordings... (just for fun)
1) Emil Tabakov/Capriccio
2) Jansons/Chandos
3) Solti/Decca
4) ?
5) Bernstein/DG
6) Haitink/Philips
7) Masur/Berlin Classics
8) Maazel/Sony
9) Solti/Decca
10) Farberman/Golden String
DLvDE) ?
I haven't heard much truly *bad* Mahler over the years, to be honest.

Probably top of my list for most "average" performance would be Joel Levi's Telarc Mahler 5. A real snooze fest if you ask me.
post #1529 of 3714
You're right, there isn't a lot of really bad Mahler; that's why I left 4 blank. I really haven't heard one that was memorably awful.
But Tabakov 1: he uses muted on-stage trumpets rather than hiring off-stage players, there are tuning problems galore in the winds, erratic tempo changes in most movements, clear misunderstanding of the finale. His cycle has few high points, despite its low $30 cost.

2: Jansons plays around with tempos, dynamics, etc. to suit his own needs, to heck with Mahler. Some people love this brutal treatment; it offends me. Just follow the score.

3, 9: Solti has no patience for the Adagios and races to the end. There's no soul. But it sure shortens both symphonies.

5: TOO SLOW, needs Solti!

6: TOO Boring and straight laced.

7: Lethargic, uninspired, badly recorded, slovenly playing.

8: TOO SLOW. THe first movement needs impetus and forward motion. This is a joyous movement. Ruins an otherwise fine cycle.

10: As if the playing isn't bad enough, the arranger (Clinton Carpenter) deserves a sound thrashing for his performing edition. Why Litton chose to use it is beyond me.
post #1530 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbhaub
Modern:
1) Maazel/CBS Vienna
2) Blomstedt/London
3) Lopez Cobos/Telarc
4) Maazel/CBS
5) Sinopoli/DG
6) Barbirolli/EMI
7) Kondrashin/Tahra
8) Kubelik/DG
9) Levine/RCA
10) Slatkin/RCA
DLvDE) Maazel/RCA

Historical:
1) Mitropoulos/Minneapolis
2) Ormandy/Minneapolis
3) Mitropoulos/NY
4) Walter/Sony
5) Walter/Sony
6) Mitropoulos/Koln Radio
7) Rosbaud/Vox
8) Flipse/Rotterdam
9) Walter/Vienna
10) Scherchen/Westminster
DLvDE) Walter/Decca
I would love to find a copy of the Kondrashin/CBO/Tahra 7th and compare it to the Melodiya 7th with Lenningrad Philharmonic 1975, it is my reference so naturally would like to hear what Kondy does 4 years later with world class orchestra and better sound.......

The 1959 Mitropoulos 6th with Koln RSO rules all whether historic or modern, the new remaster contained on 2CD Great Conductors of 20th Century sounds pretty good........yet why quibble with sound issues when performances of such great stature exist.

I do notice one "problem" with your list however..........no Bernstein!
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