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post #1306 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Well, from what I have read and been told in my art classes, Alma Mahler (née Schindler) was the daughter of artists, but was more interested in music as a youngster.
The memories of Alma Mahler are recommendable A woman with a strong personality in a world of artists (mens). She was the muse of several of them: Mahler, Gropius, Kokoschka, ... But she was an artist too (she was a good piano player and composed songs -something that Mahler didn't like-) ... And a tormented soul...
post #1307 of 3714
"We could do Walter Gropius' Bauhaus Village"--"And fight the crowds? Forget it!"

Frau Mahler really is one of those women who was everywhere and with everyone important for a few years there. Quite influential.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Doc Sarvis
Well, I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but my initial impressions are thus (more thoughts to come as I finish): Horenstein's recording is justifiably famous, because it "tells a story with the music" more than any other 3rd I've heard. Where Boulez and Zander are highly analytical, for example, this reading is much more flowing and lyrical - Like MTT only much moreso. It tends to hold one's interest as a continuous narrative.
This is referred to as sustaining the "long line" making work sound logical/unified while controlling long sections like final movement.......which most conductors produce as a meandering messy piece.

Also you must say without doubt no one finishes the last couple minutes like Horenstein, the bold tympani beats sustain the powerful finale to its glorious conclusion.
post #1309 of 3714
Slatkin M2 arrived yesterday (original CD release).
post #1310 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Slatkin M2 arrived yesterday (original CD release).
the brass chorale (don't know what else to call it) in the last movement, about, mmmm 7 minutes in.. just to die for. Probably my favorite part of the recording. Make sure you're able to allow for a wide dynamic range when listening. The entrance of the chorus in the last movement is very very quiet.

have fun!


-jar
post #1311 of 3714
im just back from the most amazing week- Ive been playing Mahler 9 with the NYSOI (Irl) and Atso Almila (the best and funniest conductor i have ever worked with)and had my final concert last night.......the tour was incredible, the music is so moving.....
and now i come to my point.
If you EVER have the chance to hear it live , do it (for anyone who mightnt think twice about it.)
My heart broke every night during the brass fanfare in the Adagio, if you ever listen to any advice, listen to this, this music will move you without a shadow of a doubt.
post #1312 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Marimba
im just back from the most amazing week- Ive been playing Mahler 9 with the NYSOI (Irl) and Atso Almila (the best and funniest conductor i have ever worked with)and had my final concert last night.......the tour was incredible, the music is so moving.....
and now i come to my point.
If you EVER have the chance to hear it live , do it (for anyone who mightnt think twice about it.)
My heart broke every night during the brass fanfare in the Adagio, if you ever listen to any advice, listen to this, this music will move you without a shadow of a doubt.
Curious, what instrument do you play?
post #1313 of 3714
Percussion. Seeing as there isnt that much in the piece, i got to enjoy the music in a way that an audience cant-sittin IN the sound, surrounded by 7 horns, 2 tubas and an army of trumpets & trombones! It was amazing.
post #1314 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Marimba
Percussion. Seeing as there isnt that much in the piece, i got to enjoy the music in a way that an audience cant-sittin IN the sound, surrounded by 7 horns, 2 tubas and an army of trumpets & trombones! It was amazing.
You're very lucky to have had the opportunity to sit from that vantage point! I'm glad you were moved by the music and just didn't think of it as just another piece.. IMHO you were part of performing some of the greatest music ever composed...

It also makes me a bit sad that I gave up the trombone..

BTW, I have attended 4 (I think) performances of the 9th, it's definately magical to hear it live (assuming you have a somewhat quiet audience, one night in Cleveland some genius decided to bring busloads of high school kids, so that night was pretty much ruined for me.. though hopefully there were a few of them that got something out of it so maybe all was not lost, but geez, take them to hear some Tchaikovsky or something.. no offense to any high school kids out there, but Mahler's 9th, a piece that demands fullest attention, I just don't think it was a great choice for a group that age..most of them were very fidgety and seemed bored to death..)

There are those rare occasions when an experience listening to a recording approaches the live experience, but really, it's just not the same..

-jar
post #1315 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Marimba
Percussion. Seeing as there isnt that much in the piece, i got to enjoy the music in a way that an audience cant-sittin IN the sound, surrounded by 7 horns, 2 tubas and an army of trumpets & trombones! It was amazing.
Wow, I can imagine so! Certainly a unique perspective on the music!
post #1316 of 3714
It wasnt just a normal performance..the first half (about 20 min) consisted of a music animatuer-a woman who explained the motifs, techniques and background to the piece,using the symphony orchestra as a lab rat....the worst part was the "reference to Beethoven 5" i the 3rd mov, when the glock plays 3 notes and then the snare drum plays a roll.....its supposed to be a reference to da-da-da-duuuum..........weird....
It was stupid lettin the audience hear snippets of the work, but it was also good, in that they were being introduced to work inn a new way....

The best thing was the fact that the Symphony was then played without an interval. People were completly immersed in his music
post #1317 of 3714
A few messages back, someone asked about the MahlerFest recordings. I have their 8 and 10th, and while they certainly emit a sense of occassion, these are not professional performances, and you can hear it. The conducting is awfully "square", and it doesn't take much to imagine more thrilling versions. So...

I just listened to the new Kent Nagano Mahler 8th on Harmonia Mundi. Superb in every way. THrilling sound, beautiful performance, exciting...one of the best. Far better than Maazel, Abravanel, Morris, Olson, Tennstedt. The sound is better than Solti. The interpretation better than most, especially the recent Rattle (no conductor's Mahler is more overrated). Still, it will not displace Kubelik for me, but other than that, it's probably tops. No surprise, either. His Das Klagende Lied several years ago was brilliant, as well.

Then something new: St. Petersburg Philharmonic playing Mahler 5 with Temirkanov on a label (Water Lilly) I've never heard of. Anybody know anything about this?
post #1318 of 3714
Picked up the Levi Telarc M4 used at my favorite used cd store along with the Mehta M2. I still have to listen to the Horenstein M3 and see how it compares to the Chailly SACD M3. I'll listen them after I'm done with my Beethoven jag.
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Thread Starter 
Abravanel/Artemis Classics (Vanguard) Mahler 2,4
This is much better overall 2CD set than the Abravanel 5,6 set I listened to recently, but still not quite good enough for either to make my top 3-4 versions list especially the 2nd. The 4th is the best Abravanel Mahler symphony I have heard so I can understand why Doc likes it soo much, but competition is very fierce for best 4th ever. Can't really find any obvious weakness and much to admire, sound as mentioned before is very clear and clarified and vocals are some of the best available.........2nd is pretty good but doesn't really come close to displacing any of the elite versions for me, so very worthwhile cheap 2CD set to pick-up used if you want to explore other versions for collectors.

BTW.......forget Maazel/Sony Mahler 4th.
I listened to several 4ths again briefly last night for reference and forgot how painfully slow/lethargic Maazel takes the performance, a pity since without doubt Kathleen Battle's pure silvery vocals are near the best ever recorded for this work.

Also I forgot Wit/Naxos 4th.....a real gem
This is a giant killer at budget price, forgot how good it was till played again, amazingly good Naxos sound also. This could seriously sneak into my top 3-4 list, this one is solid in every area and essential for Mahlerites (very cheap also)

post #1320 of 3714
DarkAngel,

Is Szell still at the top of your M4 preferences? Also, do you plan to get the new Living Stereo SACD/Hybrid release of the Reiner M4? In addition, have you heard the Levi/Atlanta M4? I just got that used and was very pleasantly surprised. It is quite good (especially when picked up for less than $5.00).

Has anyone heard Solti's early recording of the M4? It is supposed to be excellent and yet it has been OOP for a while. I'm ordering used from a vendor in New Zealand no less, so who knows when it will arrive. Apparently shipping is costing me more than the cd.

Btw, I picked up the Pearl Mahler recordings (Oskar Fried conducted M2) which were also issued by Naxos and although the sound quality is horrid making it far from my favorite recording, the liner notes are excellent. It's really interesting to see how Fried's tempos were really all over the place. There also was an explanation in the notes that Mahler himself claimed that one should be impulsive when conducting his work, and that what he would do on one occassion could be completely different from what he would do on another occassion. It really conflicts with Kaplan's idea that Mahler had one idea of how his symphony should sound. It also negates purists who complain when any of mahler's instructions for tempi or dynamics are altered. It puts Mahler at the top of the expressive conducting school.
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