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Mark,

I guess this means that it's going to be in 2 channel sacd rather than surround? they may as well have used the hdcd format which would have appealed to more listeners.
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Mark,

I guess this means that it's going to be in 2 channel sacd rather than surround? they may as well have used the hdcd format which would have appealed to more listeners.
Correct: stereo, but not surround. Telarc remains very committed to the SACD format, which is fine with me. I think they just want to remain consistent.
post #1203 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
On July 26, Telarc will be reissuing the Slatkin Mahler 2nd on a stereo hybrid SACD. The original recording was made with the Soundstream digital system, which was at a slightly higher resolution than standard CD, thus the signal had to be compressed to fit the CD bit rate. Although these early Telarc recordings sounded good on CD, the SACD reissues I've heard so far do open them up a bit more naturally, so I look forward to listening to this one. It was always a good performance, some of Slatkin's finest work.

Interestingly, the digital signal was stored on a tape which deteriorated over the last twenty years, so they had to bake the tape to stabilize it and extract the digital data. In addition to remastering it, they also re-edited the performance, based on the original written notes they still had. This will be fun to revisit, with improved sound, too.
This is awesome news! The Slatkin Mahler 2nd was the first that I ever heard, and it remains one of my very favorite recordings. Earlier this year I actually emailed Telarc inquiring about if and when they might bring out an SACD version of this recording. I received no response so I was not very hopeful.

The funny thing is that very old tape 50’s and 60’s has survived relatively intact. Starting in the early to middle 70’s they started using a formulation that has not held up as well. The tape is cooked to get the oxide to stick to the tape so that it can be played.
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
What a pity that they don't still have that service, and the other companies as well. I can think of so many things that are no longer in print that I long to be able to acquire. Perhaps, if the technology gets really cheap, they will resume doing it again. Or perhaps as the net evolves, these things will be downloadable in cd quality (uncompressed, or maybe in zipped files that could be unzipped). That would really be a way to get me to buy music online.
Indeed, a delivery format like FLAC or ALAC (Apples Lossless Audio Codec) would work nicely too, I would pay for that (much more so than lossy formats for sure). Thing is we're a small market.

Scott
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Originally Posted by Yikes
This is awesome news! The Slatkin Mahler 2nd was the first that I ever heard, and it remains one of my very favorite recordings. Earlier this year I actually emailed Telarc inquiring about if and when they might bring out an SACD version of this recording. I received no response so I was not very hopeful.
Very good news.. The Slatkin 2nd was one of my first Mahler cd's as well, and has long been one of my favorites. This might be enough to push me towards getting an SACD machine Though, I'm sure just having the remaster will be worth it.

-jar
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Originally Posted by Masonjar
Very good news.. The Slatkin 2nd was one of my first Mahler cd's as well, and has long been one of my favorites. This might be enough to push me towards getting an SACD machine Though, I'm sure just having the remaster will be worth it.
I have seen the old version in the used bin at one of the local stores and almost bought it a few times. Now I may wait till the SACD release.

Scott
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I found a Kubelik / DG Mahler 1st yesterday on DG vinyl. It really is a great performance, it lives up to the hype! Recommended. (I've never heard the Audite, that's supposed to be even better).
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Kubelik's M1 has always been one of my favorites. They really nailed the sound of the Klezmer clarinet down, and the brass always had a good jarring quality.

Received the Levine M5 yesterday. I fell asleep listening (too much party food and wine before), but the final movement really woke me up fast! It was a great last movement. When I have the chance I'll listen again and post.
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Originally Posted by Yikes
This is awesome news! The Slatkin Mahler 2nd was the first that I ever heard, and it remains one of my very favorite recordings. Earlier this year I actually emailed Telarc inquiring about if and when they might bring out an SACD version of this recording. I received no response so I was not very hopeful.

The funny thing is that very old tape 50’s and 60’s has survived relatively intact. Starting in the early to middle 70’s they started using a formulation that has not held up as well. The tape is cooked to get the oxide to stick to the tape so that it can be played.
According to the news release, engineer Paul Blakemore had to bake the tapes in a convection oven for about 12 hours at approximately 120-130 degrees, which evaporated the accumulated moisture from the binder (glue) holding the tapes together, thus allowing the tape to be played. He also comments that some of the edits were audible in the original release, due to the limitations of the editing equipment they had, and that the new version fixes those problem spots.

I'll report back after I've given it a spin sometime soon.
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Originally Posted by Mark from HFR
He also comments that some of the edits were audible in the original release, due to the limitations of the editing equipment they had, and that the new version fixes those problem spots.
Yea. I remember hearing edits in a lot of those 80's digital recordings. Not so much in the music, but the space around the music would change abruptly. Even when mics are in the exact same spot. you still sometimes get a change in feel.

Analog edits are a lot softer than digital ones from that era. Because you slice the tape at an angle, you kind of get a natural crossfade. Back in the 80's the digital editing equipment didn't have lots of fancy features that we take for granted now. It was a big deal to have a couple gigs of hard drive space back then. Being able to store a hour of digital stereo music was a big deal. Not much space for other toys.

-jar
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I have the cds of the Boehm Pollini Beethoven concertos and perhaps the variations in sound there can also be attributed to the editing back then as well. At one point in the Emperor it sounds as if they had moved the whole orchestra to another space! Maybe DG should bake those tapes as well.
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
I have the cds of the Boehm Pollini Beethoven concertos and perhaps the variations in sound there can also be attributed to the editing back then as well. At one point in the Emperor it sounds as if they had moved the whole orchestra to another space! Maybe DG should bake those tapes as well.
Of course, with DG, that could just be them using too many microphones and editing together two takes with different mike setups. In that case, baking the tapes won't help!

Speaking of stuff like that, anyone else have the Abbado/Chicago Symphony Mahler 1st? If you listen closely to the opening of the third movement, after the opening bars, the positions/perspective of the double bass and timpani suddenly shift. Very distracting!
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Mark,

You are ofcourse correct about the Pollini/Bohm. It is an otherwise exemplary performance that I find almost impossible to listen to because the sound quality or engineering is so completely distracting!

Back to topic, the Slatkin Mahler is always something I have wanted to get my little paws on. Now, with the remaster it is just a matter of time!
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got Szell Mahler 4th Symphony today

listened to the II by Abbado and wasn't much impressed by that

I'm quite noob to Mahler though

going to give a first listen to the 4th now
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Get a copy of the Levine M4. I was skeptical at first, as I am not always a fan of Levine's slow tempi. However, he does the M4 justice. Pierre Boulez has an excellent rendition as well.
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