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post #121 of 3714
DarkAngel,

Yes, this is a chamber reduction of the Mahler 4. In the early 20th century, a group of composers, including Schoenberg, reduced several large orchestral scores for their own music parties, so they could play and hear all these large scale compositions without having a whole orchestra since recordings were basically non-existent back then. Schoenberg's own reduction of the Wayfarer songs is also on this recording. The only other reduction I know that's been recorded (twice in fact) is Das Lied von der Erde.

The overall effect is interesting. The opening of the gates of heaven in the climax of 4.iii doesn't have the impact that the orchestral version does, for example, but at the same time, you get to hear all the voices, and the colors of the orchestration. I'd say it shouldn't be your only recording of a work, but it is very much a worthwhile complementary companion. Going back to the main work, you start to hear lots of details that you may not have heard before. I think of it as super-distilled Mahler --- everything is stripped away but the essence of the work.

--Andre
post #122 of 3714
*Summons this Thread back*

Anyone want to recommend a good place to start with Mahler's Symphonies?

Scott
post #123 of 3714
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by scottder
*Summons this Thread back*
Anyone want to recommend a good place to start with Mahler's Symphonies?
Scott
Probably best for a "rookie" to cherry pick and start with used/mid price versions of four most acessable symphonies:
1,2,4,5
Once you get a handle on those you can expand from there.

It is tempting to get used complete symphony set by Solti/London or Bernstein/Sony for $50-60 at Amazon, but you can do better overall by mix/match each symphony with best performance, here are some picks:

Bernstein/DG
Near definitive performances of symphonies 1 & 5 at mid price 2CD set.

Klemperer/EMI
Near definitive performance of symphony 2 at mid price on one CD.

Szell/Sony
Near definitive performance of symphony 4 at budget price.
post #124 of 3714
Thanks DA!

Well I'll start with what the library has and work from there.

Scott

*Gets out "Will work for CD's" sign*
post #125 of 3714
i would recommend that you start with 2, asides from being the most accessible, it's one of the least 'meandering' symphonies mahler wrote.

there are (imo to a small extent) valid complaints that some of mahler's symphonies do not actually contain much music.
post #126 of 3714
I got my real start into Mahlerphilia after listening to his song cycles, like Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen (Wayfarer Songs), the Ruckert Lieder, and the really depressing Kindertotenlieder. There're short and reflect a wide variety of Mahler's moods. They're also germs of his early symphonic works. One of my favorite recordings is Telarc's mid-priced CD with Jesus Lopez-Cobos, and the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra:

http://www.telarc.com/gscripts/title...5E2HJ6UV3N0V2C

There are lots of ways people fall into Mahler's music, so don't give up if one way doesn't work for you.

--Andre
post #127 of 3714
Well, I stoped at the library, and the ONLY Mahler I could find was his 10th Symphony done by Rattle on EMI, I'll give it a spin.

Scott
post #128 of 3714
Scott,

Be aware that Mahler didn't finish his 10th symphony except for the first movement, the Adagio, and recordings of the piece are generally reconstructed from the notes and scores he left behind, so the 10th is not necessarily representative of Mahler. Hope you enjoy it nevertheless.

--Andre
post #129 of 3714
Got my start with symphony 2, "Resurrection". Began with the Klemperer/EMI, and got the Rattle/EMI a month or so ago. The Klemperer is no slouch, but I didn't realize how much better the Rattle version was until I listened to it a few times.
post #130 of 3714
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Originally posted by AndreYew
Scott,

Be aware that Mahler didn't finish his 10th symphony except for the first movement, the Adagio, and recordings of the piece are generally reconstructed from the notes and scores he left behind, so the 10th is not necessarily representative of Mahler. Hope you enjoy it nevertheless.

--Andre
Thanks Andre,

Too bad this was the ONLY Mahler my local library had. Still it was an interesting listen.

Scott
post #131 of 3714
the 2nd with rattle is the best classical record in my collection of over 50 that i have. simply fantastic.
post #132 of 3714

In defense of the Mahler 10th.

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Originally posted by AndreYew
Scott,

Be aware that Mahler didn't finish his 10th symphony except for the first movement, the Adagio, and recordings of the piece are generally reconstructed from the notes and scores he left behind, so the 10th is not necessarily representative of Mahler. Hope you enjoy it nevertheless.

--Andre
I'm a convert to the 10th. I heard it performed live two years ago.. I probably already mentioned it in this thread.. but anyway, it was so moving, so beautiful, that how could I deny it? The last 15 minutes of the last movement just destroyed me. I haven't decided for sure, but the live concert was so powerful that I will probably avoid recordings until I have the chance to hear it live again... but, Rattle's 10th is a fine place to start. I have the earlier version and have always enjoyed it. Sure, one has to wonder what it would have sounded like if Mahler had completed it, but.. I'll take what I can get, that last movement is one of the most powerful pieces of music I know..

-jar
post #133 of 3714
Ok, I ordered the Klemperer/EMI version of Mahlers 2nd from Amazon today, should be here soon.

Scott
post #134 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by scottder
Ok, I ordered the Klemperer/EMI version of Mahlers 2nd from Amazon today, should be here soon.
Scott
If money were no object I would have said get the Rattle/EMI, but it is 2CD full price 2.5 X cost of Klemperer/EMI. You would eventually want to get Klemperer anyway, plus you get Elizabeth Schwarzkopf.
post #135 of 3714
Quote:
Originally posted by DarkAngel
If money were no object I would have said get the Rattle/EMI, but it is 2CD full price 2.5 X cost of Klemperer/EMI. You would eventually want to get Klemperer anyway, plus you get Elizabeth Schwarzkopf.
Indeed, some day down the line I pay pick up the Rattle version (maybe find it used), but I'll give the Klemperer a spin for now.

Scott
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