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Originally Posted by meusickfrek View Post
OK, Sorry to butt in, just wanted to make a quick comment. I've had my fuze for about four hours now and the sound stage and separation are way better then my old/broken iaudio 7 using my Atrios. The difference is amazing!
Agreed, mf, the Fuze is quite a bang for the buck, isn't it?

What configuration do you have and how are you using it?

USG
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How does the not true "line out" of the fuze compare with other using the same chip?
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I'm not selling the LODs that I've made. I can hear a difference between the headphone out and line out. I've said it before, but the line out sounds cleaner. I notice the most difference (which is minimal) while using my iBasso D10 to my Grado SR325i/Yuin G2A headphones. I admit that with my Audio-Technica ES7's, I pretty much don't hear a difference at all. I also don't notice a difference when connecting the line out to my FiiO E5. Like most of the stuff on this forum, it also depends on everything else in your system.

Actually I hear the biggest difference when I hook up the line out to my car stereo. Through the line out, the sound is a lot crisper. The headphone out through my car system sounds a bit washed out.

I love my Fuze. My dad bought one too, but he stopped using it since he couldn't put on his iTunes songs.
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Are those blue words for me? They are not really scary just because they are highlighted and super-sized.

If I am a shill, USG, I would have keep the diyLOD to myself and sell tons of LOD on eBay for god-know-how-much-the-price-is. Go to my eBay listing and check everyone of those LOD I sold (7 listed, 6 sold, 1 expired), never did I ever mention that LO is better than HO in any way. The closest I even said is 'With this cable, you can pair your Fuze with an external portable amp that has an 3.5mm input socket and enjoy the extra power and sound quality your amp provided. It will allow you to create a truly high quality portable sound system." Mind you, I have never mentioned those eBay listing in head-fi during their enlisted time, nor did I ever promoted them here or anywhere. I sold those LOD because I have leftover parts for the diyLOD project and want to get some money back. If I have more parts I will continue to make and sell them as my pastime, and I'll be sure to put in "Beware: this LOD might not improve the SQ at all, buy / try at your own risk!" during the listing. - in fact, I'll put it in the diyLOD guide right now Happy?

I understand you want people to know that the possibility of improvement / change / whatever coming from the diyLOD may be minimum or none - that is with in your right and I respect that. As you are honest to your opinion, so am I.
post #413 of 767
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
Agreed, mf, the Fuze is quite a bang for the buck, isn't it?

What configuration do you have and how are you using it?

USG
I'm using flac files out of the hp-out into atrios with flat EQ. I only use amps for special occasions when traveling but do notice an improvement when I do.
post #414 of 767
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Originally Posted by meusickfrek View Post
I'm using flac files out of the hp-out into atrios with flat EQ. I only use amps for special occasions when traveling but do notice an improvement when I do.
Hi mf

It's a funny thing, but I found that my V1 Fuze seems to sound better with 320mp3 than flac files. What is your experience with the exact same CD track, ripped in 320 and then in flac with EAC? Just curious.

USG
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I'll try that when i get a chance, One thing I do notice is that the volume decreases when you EQ the fuze does anyone know why?
post #416 of 767
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So as far as I'm concerned, You Have Absolutely No Credibility What-So-Ever.
Gotta love the large type usually reserved for immature people that can't express themselves effectively...

And you have absolutely zero credibility as you have never listened to a LOD, just a Griffen Doc, which has as many solder joints as my LOD, if not more, uses similar connectors, but uses cheaper caps in the signal path. Anyone that knows anything about high end audio knows caps in the signal path make a big difference. So when you are talking about the LODs that members have made you are purely speculating.

I actually almost bought the Griffen Dock, but hesitated because it is not portable and then saw ClieOS's guide.

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
Edit: Team Exploiting The Placebo Effect
From your profile (reformatted to save space):
Head-Fi Gear
Headphone Inventory: HD650; DT880; K701; PX 100 :-); PX 200 :-(
Headphone Amp Inventory: GS-1; Woo3; M^3; Portaphile Maxxed; Hornet
Source Inventory: Stello DA100; Constantine USB; Zhaolu D2; DAC-AH; MobiBlu Cube
Cable Inventory: Dayton Glass; Dayton RCAs; Zu Oxy RCAs; Zu Pivots; Volexs F

Sounds pretty hypocritical to me from someone that claims they own 5 pairs of headphones, 5 amps, 5 sources, and various cables. Especially the cables. Other than the headphones, why would you need more than 1 amp, 1 source, and 1 set of cables? Plus Radio Shack has some cables that probably sound exactly like yours. Dude, you got taken to the cleaners, what a sucker! Plus all your placebo buddies know the M^3 really sounds exactly like the Portaphile Maxxed, so why do you need both? [/sarcasm] <- for the slow

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Originally Posted by selkin View Post
ok upstateguy. rules are rules.
but did you try the fuze via LO or not ?
Still can't answer the question because you have not used a custom LOD (see above). So you can not possibly know if there is a difference. Again, pure conjecture.

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
The line out from a Fuze is nothing like the line out from an ipod.

On an ipod, there is a clear and audible benefit from bypassing the analog stage. This is not the case with a Fuze.

On a Fuze, everything originates from the same digital chip and although there may be very slight differences on paper, between the line out signal and the headphone jack signal, you're going to need some pretty good equipment and headphones to be able to hear it, if it's even possible, after the signal goes through the friction line out clip of the Fuze, the solder joints of the resistors and capacitors, the resistors and capacitors themselves (and oops, maybe they were they over heated while soldering), the wire used, the solder joints on the termination and finally the friction grip of the termination to the amp.
What amps are used in the HPO vs. LO, are they the same? Is there additional circuitry (possibly click & pop suppression feedback on chip and FM antenna circuitry) in the HP path? yes there is! Could that affect sound quality? So what you are saying is a few solder joints have a larger effect than the other circuitry mentioned above.

I would love for you to double blind 2 of the same cables, only one has a 2 additional solder joints, and be able to tell. Good luck with that one king of placebo.

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Talk about putting things in the signal path (how many solder joints was that and how many extra pieces of wire with even more solder joints, jumping this and that?). The headphone out is a mini to mini and you're done.
Um, that would be 2 extra solder joints, 4 total.

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I would like to submit that by by the time you run the signal through all the "stuff" that is the LOD, what ever minute advantage it may have had on paper, is no longer there.
Submit your pure conjecture. You seem to be taking this so personal and personally attacking anyone that has a different opinion than you. Do you work for a Sandisk competitor and don't want the Fuze to have another leg up on your product?

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On top of that, there is no standardization for the resistors or capacitors or terminations or frankendock used, so what you get is the pot luck choice of who ever cobbled together the LOD. An ipod line out doesn't need any of this stuff.
There is no standardization on anything in the commercial world. Do electronics companies change components in production runs? Yes. Does the Hornet have the same caps as the GS-1, the same resistors, etc? Does every iPod LOD use all the same parts? No. If you understand the engineering behind it there are many ways to achieve the desired results.

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IIRC, ClieOS has already said, more than once in this thread, that a LOD is just another way to get the signal out of a Fuze. I want to add that in a portable setting, with portable equipment, you're never going to be able to tell the difference between the two signals, like you can with an ipod.
There is a difference between never being able to tell a difference and never being able to tell a difference like you can on an iPod. And just because you can't hear/perceive a difference doesn't mean it is not possible for someone else, everyone's ears/senses are different.

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The "Placebo Effect" is very powerful guys and everybody has been conditioned to think the sound out of a line out dock is better... but that was with an ipod.
There is no real response to this, the whole placebo effect is something you seem to be hiding behind. You don't agree, understand, believe, or whatever, even if you haven't tried it, than it is the placebo effect. And yes, I believe there is a placebo effect.

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That said, I really like my 8GB Fuze with an 8GB card, and have been using it in my office, parked in a Griffin dock, since I got it. It has replaced a CD player and the tuner in my office stereo. Just last night, while working, I had to say to myself, "Damn, that sounds good!"
Must be the placebo effect, I am sure it sounds just as good as my clock radio.

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Originally Posted by yukihiro View Post
I'm not selling the LODs that I've made. I can hear a difference between the headphone out and line out. I've said it before, but the line out sounds cleaner. I notice the most difference (which is minimal) while using my iBasso D10 to my Grado SR325i/Yuin G2A headphones. I admit that with my Audio-Technica ES7's, I pretty much don't hear a difference at all. I also don't notice a difference when connecting the line out to my FiiO E5. Like most of the stuff on this forum, it also depends on everything else in your system.

Actually I hear the biggest difference when I hook up the line out to my car stereo. Through the line out, the sound is a lot crisper. The headphone out through my car system sounds a bit washed out.

I love my Fuze. My dad bought one too, but he stopped using it since he couldn't put on his iTunes songs.
How are you going to respond to this? Wait, let me beat you to it...the placebo effect. And must be a shill in hiding!

P.S. I don't expect a response to this from USG other than possible name calling, misdirection, or conjecture (possibly in really large and/or blue text ).
post #417 of 767
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Originally Posted by meusickfrek View Post
I'll try that when i get a chance, One thing I do notice is that the volume decreases when you EQ the fuze does anyone know why?
From the Sandisk forum sansafix posted:
"With equalizer enabled, additional headroom is reserved so that when boosting frequencies (say + 9 on low or high sliders) clipping (signal saturation) does not occur. This is why the apparent volume drops with a small adjustment to the EQ. Hope that explains this effect to you."
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I love my Fuze with it's LOD going into my hornet
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