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post #16 of 45

Read the sticky

I have owned several of Xin's amps, he designs and builds great sounding gear for sure.

Something more important than sound or build quality that I have learned in HiFi over the years is the following:

If you cannot obtain the service associated with the hardware, it makes a difference in the overall total cost of ownership.

Designing a great product is one thing, not being able to fulfill that product and/or service once orders are paid for is an entirely different prospect altogether.

I know that companies like Dr Xin and similar specialize in a boutique environment and a niche market, and that HiFi providers/supporters are accustomed to this nature somewhat. This does not mean that the lines of communication cannot be up kept, timelines reasonably honored, and orders fulfilled accordingly. Too many "loans" are outstanding to Dr Xin for me to feel good about supporting any more of his products personally.
post #17 of 45
If I were to take "Audiofiler's" line of thinking into consideration, then
I guess I must boycott any future consideration for Sennheiser and Denon products.
Based on the popularity of the aforementioned brands here at headfi, maybe I would be at a loss. But there are principles to consider here though, I'm thinking. And luckily for me Sennheiser and Denon are not the only players in the headfi arena. Its been two years since I bought either of those brands for the record.

I have to say though I am more nervous about considering another Sennheiser and Denon products than before my experience with both of their repair service departments.
post #18 of 45
I've owned SuperMACRO I and III. I would say that op-amp rolling is the best feature that Xin's amp has. Listening to the sound of difference op-amps taught me a lot. I was planning to buy SuperMACRO IV but at that time Xin seemed to stop delivering amps. Don't know what's his current status?
post #19 of 45
I think the fact that he is shipping prototype/development amps to people, while he still has god knows how much of peoples money without delivery, speaks volumes about where his alliances lie; in the fulfillment of his own obsessive needs. he should be prosecuted IMO. the fact that he is still accepting paypal orders (read stealing peoples money) is unfathomable; if it weren't for these forums I would've ordered one of his amps by paypal and been out $300 still. it is obvious that he is not incapable of making them, but he still chooses to rip people off instead. i'm amazed he hasn't had a 'visit' he will be old and grey without the use of his faculties before he ships to everyone he owes and amp to or returns their money. I realize I'm prbably going to be flamed by some diehard, wool pulled over the eyes xin fanatic for this post (not talking about anyone in particular)but obviously he still gets orders from people who didn't come here and sus it out first .

my 2c
post #20 of 45
sorry double post
post #21 of 45
While your expressions seem a bit strong I can't really falut the sentiment nor the logic behind it. The last 1½ year has been very disappointing.
post #22 of 45
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Originally Posted by nc8000 View Post
While your expressions seem a bit strong I can't really falut the sentiment nor the logic behind it. The last 1½ year has been very disappointing.
yes; I realize the language I used was strong; that was quite intentional; I find that even people who have been ripped off by him seem to hold back, in hope that he may one day deliver their amp to them. I dunno I just thought some stronger language had to be used in order to really scare people off. I meant everything thing I said and since I don't have anything to lose; why not. still I better double the firewall around my server the words 'EVIL GENIUS' come to mind lol
post #23 of 45
I agree with you Qusp. I was a Xin defender, focusing on hs 'eccentric craftsman' persona, but now I can't imagine any justification for his behaviour - the Thanksgiving broken promise, the more recent broken promise, his Web site left up collecting orders while practically nothing is being delivered, and the fact that he has his own forums and posts nothing there in explanation to his customers. I'm in the UK and can't do much, but it amazes me too that no-one has visited him, given that his address has been posted here several times and we've even seen Google images of his house!
post #24 of 45
I wonder what he must think about his notoriety? do you think he's getting into the whole thing? being some kind of weird legend on head-fi. I havent heard the reference i've heard the super mini and it was definitely great for its time but it has since been well outclassed by amps that are actually available for delivery. I think half of the appeal of the reference must be its rarity; i'm sure there are some people that have willingly thrown money away to order the reference even knowing the facts
post #25 of 45
I still have 2 orders standing, one for a Reference and one for a SuperMini. Both are on credit card and are specified as "don't ship till the product is perfect". I'll probably never get anything but since it does not cost me anything I'll keep my place in line on the odd chance that anything one day arrives and I have never heard anybody claim that he charges a credit card until an item actually ships.
post #26 of 45
I ordered a Reference using a credit card in September 2007. The card was lost afterwards and I had a new number. I sent the new number to Xin. I have never had any email from him, ever. I feel I can't really deal with someone who won't communicate. Obviously I have no idea of the status of my order. I could cancel and I wouldn't expect an acknowledgement of that, either. With Xin there's no difference between ordering and cancelling, it's like dropping stones down a bottomless well, nothing ever comes back. I think Xin is history. I feel sorry for those who ordered by Paypal, I can just shrug my shoulders and be grateful for all the intertainment I've had on Head-fi following the Xin threads. I would be flabergasted to receive a Reference now, but I would still be pleased to own one, even if there are now other amps that have caught up. It would be a bit of a collector's piece, and the one I listened to was very good. Isn't it amazing that he developed an amp that so many people wanted and then practically never delivered? All that development work has fizzled to nothing.
post #27 of 45
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Originally Posted by DennyL View Post
I ordered a Reference using a credit card in September 2007. The card was lost afterwards and I had a new number. I sent the new number to Xin. I have never had any email from him, ever. I feel I can't really deal with someone who won't communicate. Obviously I have no idea of the status of my order. I could cancel and I wouldn't expect an acknowledgement of that, either. With Xin there's no difference between ordering and cancelling, it's like dropping stones down a bottomless well, nothing ever comes back. I think Xin is history. I feel sorry for those who ordered by Paypal, I can just shrug my shoulders and be grateful for all the intertainment I've had on Head-fi following the Xin threads. I would be flabergasted to receive a Reference now, but I would still be pleased to own one, even if there are now other amps that have caught up. It would be a bit of a collector's piece, and the one I listened to was very good. Isn't it amazing that he developed an amp that so many people wanted and then practically never delivered? All that development work has fizzled to nothing.
The only time I got an email from Xin, it was when I cancelled my order. Worth a try
post #28 of 45
Somehow I discovered that Xin was used to be a member here... very interesting story.
post #29 of 45
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
Somehow I discovered that Xin was used to be a member here... very interesting story.

So who did you hear it from and what's the story? What was his username?
post #30 of 45
I don't think he has been here for years, as I seem to remember from some early post on his own site (I think 3-4 years ago) he felt that there was to much technical misinformation about amps being spread around here.
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