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post #256 of 427
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Originally Posted by prinz View Post
hmm.. strange..

I have problem with my volume knob in ZERO.
When i put it into chassis, where it should be, i hear "huuumm, bruummm etc" in headphones. When I take headamp out of the chassis everything's ok. I've noticed that when volume knob and chassis( this hole where volume knob goes through) are sticking i hear that "huuum". And when volume knob and chassis hole, are NOT sticking, everything's ok.

Also i've noticed that from 0 to 1/3 (volume) everythings ok, from 1/3 to 2/3 i hear silent bruumm, from 2/3 to the end noise is quite high, but there's no brum .

Peete.. any ideas ?
prinz, while Peete is busy, I will see what I can do for you. If you look at the vol pot on the left hand side, is there a piece of wire soldered from the side of the pot going down to the board? If not, that is your problem, it seems to have been a recurring fault in manufacture to not put that little earth strap in there.
Try this little experiment, take a small pice of bare wire and hold it to the side of the pot, then touch the other end to the front of the case. Board ground is better, but for the moment just connect the pot to ground and see what happens. S-man
post #257 of 427
HAH! While I was writing, you beat me to it, PP! And with a pic too. S-man
post #258 of 427
PP, what I would do without You ..
it Helped! I didnt had any wire between pot and pcb.

thanks .

edit. thanks sennsay ,
You know guys, if there were some KARMA, you know +1 for good advice or smth, i would click on Yours all the time
post #259 of 427
Sennsay: I agree, PP has created a very clear, succint set of instructions. He has been very helpful, I can't express in words how great his assistance has been. I understood the instructions well, yet i still managed to do something wrong.

I don't think it's related to the capacitors I've changed though, because the polarities are all correct (I've left the thing on for over 10 hours trying to troubleshoot. If polarity had been wrong, a capacitor would definitely have popped)

I've been scrutinising the board for a lifted or cracked trace, but can't find any. It's saddening to know I've killed the DAC, and more saddening to not be able to find out where I went wrong.

I've been checking the potential differences across all the capacitors I replaced. This is what I got. Is there any anomaly or discrepancy, anyone? And the voltage across the four 10V47uF Elna caps keeps fluctuating. Is this normal?

post #260 of 427
juswyq, most of those figures look fairly good as far as I can tell, though my own Frankie reads only 2.5V across the four 10V 47uF caps and is steady at that voltage. I take it you've gone through the reset buttons etc? S-man
post #261 of 427
Just a quick update:
The Russian greenies are here, fresh from the mailman =>
I'm in the progress of changing modding the PSU ( Caps, UF, PIO bypass), the analogue( 47uF caps, PIO bypass). I've made some changes to the BOM due to parts availability, thus chosen:- UF4004, 47uF cerafine, 330uF red ELNA.

I find the biggest challenge is in desoldering process- Heating the old solder, getting rid of the old solder goob, ensuring the hole is clear, taking care that I don't accidentally melt the neighboring components, at the same time taking care not to overheat or use too much force as it might be easy to 'uproot' a pad.

Any tips from you gurus?
post #262 of 427
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Originally Posted by juswyq View Post
Sennsay: I agree, PP has created a very clear, succint set of instructions. He has been very helpful, I can't express in words how great his assistance has been. I understood the instructions well, yet i still managed to do something wrong.

I don't think it's related to the capacitors I've changed though, because the polarities are all correct (I've left the thing on for over 10 hours trying to troubleshoot. If polarity had been wrong, a capacitor would definitely have popped)

I've been scrutinising the board for a lifted or cracked trace, but can't find any. It's saddening to know I've killed the DAC, and more saddening to not be able to find out where I went wrong.

I've been checking the potential differences across all the capacitors I replaced. This is what I got. Is there any anomaly or discrepancy, anyone? And the voltage across the four 10V47uF Elna caps keeps fluctuating. Is this normal?
Maybe it's possible one or more of your caps were bad??


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post #263 of 427
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 10hz View Post
Just a quick update:
The Russian greenies are here, fresh from the mailman =>
I'm in the progress of changing modding the PSU ( Caps, UF, PIO bypass), the analogue( 47uF caps, PIO bypass). I've made some changes to the BOM due to parts availability, thus chosen:- UF4004, 47uF cerafine, 330uF red ELNA.

I find the biggest challenge is in desoldering process- Heating the old solder, getting rid of the old solder goob, ensuring the hole is clear, taking care that I don't accidentally melt the neighboring components, at the same time taking care not to overheat or use too much force as it might be easy to 'uproot' a pad.

Any tips from you gurus?
A stainless steel dental pic is good for the stubborn solder. Heat the solder up that is left over while carefully pushing the pic through the hole. The stubborn solder will be pushed out of the hole and won't stick to the stainless steel pic. You need to be careful when heating the board to do this and must not use excessive force to clean out the hole or overheat it enough to burn the pad/board. It's a fine line between enough heat and too much, enough force and too much.

A good method for removing the old diodes is to cut the legs as close to the top holes as you can get them. That way when you remove the solder from the underside the likely hood of not getting the hole clean in one go is lessened considerably. You can also lightly grip the one side with some tweezers and heat up the solder to remove the cut leg that way without causing any damage to the pcb.

Another good method for stubborn solder is to reflow some fresh solder into that hole and try again with the tool you use to vacuum the solder out with (manual pump, wicking material, or desoldering iron ).

Have a look at You Tube for videos showing the various methods you can employ for tricky parts and stubborn solder removal.

Good luck.

Peete.
post #264 of 427
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by prinz View Post
PP, what I would do without You ..
it Helped! I didnt had any wire between pot and pcb.

thanks .

edit. thanks sennsay ,
You know guys, if there were some KARMA, you know +1 for good advice or smth, i would click on Yours all the time
Only too glad to help.

S-Man was right on the money as well. Good man !!!

Peete.
post #265 of 427
Hi all. I've ordered most all the parts I need for the mod, except for the PIO. Am I correct in thinking that I can still run it with everything except the PIOs?

I'd like to have everything in and running before the weeks it may take for me to get the PIO.
post #266 of 427

modified Franken'ed zero

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Originally Posted by Pricklely Peete View Post
A stainless steel dental pic is good for the stubborn solder. Heat the solder up that is left over while carefully pushing the pic through the hole. The stubborn solder will be pushed out of the hole and won't stick to the stainless steel pic. You need to be careful when heating the board to do this and must not use excessive force to clean out the hole or overheat it enough to burn the pad/board. It's a fine line between enough heat and too much, enough force and too much.

A good method for removing the old diodes is to cut the legs as close to the top holes as you can get them. That way when you remove the solder from the underside the likely hood of not getting the hole clean in one go is lessened considerably. You can also lightly grip the one side with some tweezers and heat up the solder to remove the cut leg that way without causing any damage to the pcb.

Another good method for stubborn solder is to reflow some fresh solder into that hole and try again with the tool you use to vacuum the solder out with (manual pump, wicking material, or desoldering iron ).

Have a look at You Tube for videos showing the various methods you can employ for tricky parts and stubborn solder removal.

Good luck.

Peete.
Good luck.

Peete.
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Thks for your detail advice, Peete!

Have to admit that it's really challenge for me to desolder on lead-free PCB.
Most of my experience has been limited to tin/lead solder of work.

The challenge mostly lies with the correct temp control. Been running the iron at 350- 410degC range (662degF-770degF) The lead-free solder cured in a much faster time, thus require prolong heating in some cases, thus increase the risk of heat damage and delamination.

A dental pic is a good idea, I've used a pointed compass tip to 'force out' the stubborn solder but it's still hard to prevent 'autosealing' of the hole from spent solder. Most of the time, the board will be standing on it edge, with iron on one hand, sucker on the other, i find that it speeds up things.

Diode removal is quite straightforward, using the pencil tip iron to heat-and-pry the whole row of legs on one side, and use a plier n iron on the next sets of legs, no cutting necessary.

Incidentally, I have checked out videos on desoldering techinique, but cant find any useful info.

I've no luck using the wick, despite 'pre-treating ' it by sanding, cleaning with IPA blah x3 , the darn wick just refuse to 'siphon-all-up'.

Update:
After spending near close to 10 hours of intense struggling with the mod, finally, i've manage to complete the mod- but scoring literally 'zero' in finesse and esthetic department. Most of the caps are standing way too high and in a messy manner to facitate soldering on the top pad.

After clearing up the messy flux and solder dust covered board with lots a toothbrush and IPA, i carefully position and fix everything in place, making a final inspection before power on, and when i whisper a silent prayer.....and press the 'ON' button.......in eager anticipation of the 'Moment'.... voila... The ultra bright blue and Red LED brighten up the whole room ! It works.... electrically, no magic sparks, no holy smoke!!!

On hearing check,
can= senn Px200
DAC= fraken'ed Zero( with original OPA), optical-USB to my beaten-up PC.
track= FIM Audiophile Reference IV -'Alexander Warenburg - Deer Hunter' ,FIM Audiophile Reference IV

- Esther Ofarim - La Vezina Catina (vocal)

No humming or any noise.The entire performance is very musical and fluid.It's a brand new way of listening to the same track but in a very different way- very emotional, lyrical flow of musical expression. Very detail... I can distinctly hear some friction sound from strokes of the bow against the violin strings, which i can't hear previously.Vocals sound very clear, sharp and real. The Dynamics is very good as well, with very good bass response with good seperation. I'm very
satisfied with all these- even before any burn-in !!!

Some minor changes i've made- UF diode replaced with UF4004 ( 50ns), 4x 47uF coupling caps changed to cerafine( am i right to say that the orginal silmic is supposed to be better than cerafine? hmmm)

. In addition to the russian greenies, i have another box caps installed before hand( cap-box-pio). wanted to post some pic, but might put some people off with the messiness.
post #267 of 427
Cerafine are not better than Silmic, they are just different.

btw. What are You guys thinking about zeros HEadamp?
When I turn volume pot to half way, there is quite annoying noise on my JVC headphones. I dont hear any noise only from 0 to 1/3 of available volume scale.

what do You think ?
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BTW, i also finished my FRANKEN_PRINZ_ZERO MOD . Its ready, after 350h of burn in.







And finally. I DONT know how it sounds , because headphones which i bought from someone from this forum, didnt arrived yet.
post #268 of 427
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Originally Posted by prinz View Post
Cerafine are not better than Silmic, they are just different.

btw. What are You guys thinking about zeros HEadamp?
When I turn volume pot to half way, there is quite annoying noise on my JVC headphones. I dont hear any noise only from 0 to 1/3 of available volume scale.

what do You think ?
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BTW, i also finished my FRANKEN_PRINZ_ZERO MOD . Its ready, after 350h of burn in.







And finally. I DONT know how it sounds , because headphones which i bought from someone from this forum, didnt arrived yet.
Very Kewl "Stealth" paint Job!!


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post #269 of 427
Hey guys I just got my HDAM and was wondering if this is an acceptable installation. The extension is really hard to control in that it bend how I would like so i have to route it around as you can see. If this is not a good idea or if you would like to see it from a different angle please let know, thanks!

post #270 of 427
yes, it's good.

I've put HDAM almost in the same place.
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