Yes but they're both equally horrific and the division seems to be completely arbitrary based on whatever that particular listener likes (hip hop) or dislikes (rap).
Hip hop has no redeeming musical qualities to me.
The general aesthetic reminds me of "punk", another genre in which people make next to zero effort to actually compose anything inspiring or original yet become angry and belligerent when you call them out on it. They want the best of both worlds -- they want to spit in the face of music to show off their rebellion, then have music lovers silently endorse it, like "Oh ha, you crazy kids!".
It doesn't work out that way and they get upset when people take "elitist" attitudes towards them. They want to offend you but not be offended back.
I also have trouble telling the "deep poetic genius" rappers apart from the rest. People have of course had me listen to Tupac and as far as I could tell, while his vocabulary was slightly larger, it was still a guy rhyming about how great he is over cowbell and kazoo sound effects.
I do in a way "hate" it, because if you truly love something then it's natural to hate anything which threatens it. Hip hop along with "Dr. Luke" style idiotpop have relegated composed music to the fringes of society and turned what was once one of the core forms of human art into a lowest common denominator industry like fast food, pornography or cartoons.
Life is too short to force ones self to endure bad music just to seem open minded.
I'd have to agree, with a few rare exceptions, I can't stand rap/hip-hop or punk at all.
Wow I just joined and this thread really ******* pisses me off with all the ignorance. Rap IS music and all of you faggots saying "All rap sucks" are ******* IGNORANT. Listen to some ******* underground hip hop before you make ******* sweeping generalizations you ******* clueless dickless turds....WU TANG CLAN...NAS...THE ROOTS..TUPAC.....BIGGIE SMALLS..just a few good ones. Open your mind and stop being ******* ignorant!!!!!
Welcome to Head-Fi! Sorry for you wal...aww **** it.
Insulting a genre = close minded
Insulting an artist = open minded
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Yet for one not to specifically enjoy a certain genre of music, it doesn't automatically make it "suck".
To me, rap has sucked huge since the late 90s, but man do I love me some 80s-mid 90s stuff. Eazy-E my hands down favorite
Yes commercial corporate rap sucks, but hip hop is AMAZING!!! WoW this thread goes back all the way to '03??? LoL How this thread still alive. "Rap" is just one element of hip hop and it's basically a form of spoken poetry laced with rhymes and a beat, etc. There are so many sub genres within what we perceive as "rap music" it is truly mind boggling how fast it changes and adapts to new styles/ forms/ elements in order to remain relevant.
Hip Hop music/ rap has been constantly evolving (for good or bad), but for me at least it has never been so good. So i love it when people look back to the "golden era" with teary eyed nostalgia despite that true hip hop artists today are as bountiful/ talented as ever, true emcees i mean, not those mainstream "hip pop" rappers. You just have to dig a bit deeper and there are tons of gems waiting to be discovered, not just in the American scene but internationally. Just like professional basketball, the international scene has already quickly caught up to America's "Golden Era" of hip hop/ rap in all aspects. Words are cheap so I am gonna post some artists that exemplifies what i am trying to get across...........
That amazing story telling.....
That political consciousness.......... all the way from Sweden
That soulfulness.........all the way from South Korea. (No ain't no gangnam style LoL)
That funky jazziness............... all the way from Taiwan.
That artistry.......... if someone close to you went to a better place this joint to gonna spark some powerful emotions.
Got to give props to all the female emcees out there doing their thing.......................my love <3 LoL and I am not Korean.
So many sub genres/ styles/ languages all expressing who they are and their experiences through "hip hop." Music should have no boundaries/ limitations so why close your mind to an art form if you have not researched/ listened to it in-depth??? If it's good music it's good music who cares what genre it is, and there are tons of amazing artists that are out there doing their thang independently, alls you have to do is dig a bit deeper and not be fixated on the carbon copy pop music, the mainstream is shoving down our throats no matter the genre.
Sound but you've displayed enough ignorance in this thread for your opinion to not be of any value. Hip Hop can be instrumental, not so much rap though eh think about it.
You've name checked a few artists from a very narrow part of the wider hip hop spectrum and then formed an opinion. It's a strawman you're criticising artists you've never heard?
There are a few RHCP songs from their early period that I don't mind...but I don't like the rest of those, no. Crap might be too strong a word, but I am certainly not a fan. Don't like the Beastie Boys either.
haha yeah me too, not a fan of the Beastie Boys as well, but i can understand/ give props to what they have done/ contributed to hip hop/ rap music. Those guys were pioneers that broke down a lot of barriers for sure, but they are too old school and boring sounding compared to the stuff nowadays.
A lot of the golden era stuff is good but it just feels kinda "dusty" for the lack of a better term. haha But there are artist such as 2pac, etc that just seems to be evergreen, even in their sound because of it's soulfulness/ passion in the music. I don't even listen to 2pac much but just saying....
Since this is a headphone forum, i think this is a good analogy: I don't give a damn what brand/ how cheap/ expensive/ ugly a pair of headphone is, as long as it sounds amazing that is what truly matters. If you apply this to hip hop/ rap and other musical genres it makes a lot of sense to me.
I know right hip hop music is truly my bias, so i feel that as a musical genre it is the most dynamic/ freely evolving and versatile form that we have seen yet. The share amount of sub genres within "rap music" just boggles the mind. Unlike classical music/ etc, which i feel is extremely stagnant as an art form nowadays, anyone can express themselves through hip hop by simply using its basic elements or with the incorporation of new ones. As an musical art form it does not discriminate nor does one need a lot of "professional" training or equipment. Think Bruce Lee's "be like water" metaphor is the best way to describe hip hop. haha
edit: Hey RoMee care to share some of your favorite hip hop artists or some of your beloved tracks??? Would love to know what you jam to buddy.