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post #46 of 51
I am an Elvis fan. With good material and good performers behind him, he could be quite wonderful. Beyond that, he sure released a lot of schlock that stunk up the place. Roughly 30% of his entire catalog is listenable at best.
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by DrBenway View Post
Thanks. But I'm not trying to score points here, or prove that I'm right. I genuinely believe I was misunderstood, and, for some reason, I can't leave that alone.



I am going to add "lighten up" to my list of New Years resolutions. Also on the list will be the perennial "Think before you hit ENTER, fool."



Elvis certainly was not a songwriter, but I think he was siginificantly different from the other white cover "artists" of the day. I imagine you would agree with me that it wouldn't be right to stick him with the same label that is rightfully applied to Pat Boone and others, like the Crewcuts, who recorded bleached versions of songs originally recorded by Black artists.

On the other hand, Elvis was notorious for taking songwriter's publishing rights as a condition for recording their material. I personally blame the infamous Colonel Parker for this behaviour, and for a lot of other unfortunate moves that made Elvis a lot of money but which complicate his legacy.



I agree that Elvis brought a sound and sensibility to white radio (and not just in the south) that had previously been completely off limits. But I also think that it's an oversimplification to say that he was merely presenting a Black artisitic sensibility to white audiences. As I said in a previous post in this thread, Elvis's music always included elements of country music. To me, that's the essence of rock n roll; it's not purely R&B, and it's not purely country. It's a super-heated combination of the two.




Exactly. Just try telling a kid "now don't you touch this cookie" and then leave the room. Trying to prohibit something makes it seem exotic and attractive.



All of the pioneering Black rock n roll artists were subjected to various forms of discrimination, and in some cases, persecution. Look at Chuck Berry's first trial, on charges of violating the Mann Act. If I remember correctly, the first jury was thrown out on grounds that it was biased against him on racial grounds. In that day and time, a jury would have to be practically wearing Klan garb for that to be recognized and admitted to.

And there are those who will argue that Allan Freed - a white disc jockey who was one of the earliest to play Black records - lost everything, including his life, for daring to mess with the established order.

And I couldn't agree more about Elvis's voice. It is one of the defining sounds of rock n roll, and it continues to reverberate down through the years. All of those silly inpersonators are, in a way, just emphasizing how iconic his sound really was.



Of course, and the same applies to anything and everything that I post here. I think I tend to lob rhetorical hand grenades too readily, and I'm not careful to emphasize that I speak only for myself, and with a clear sense of my own insignificance. That might be part of what got me into trouble in this thread (Ya think?).


I think something is wrong with your "quote button", I never said half of what you posted I did, so whenever you get a chance make sure you clear that up, alrighty

thanks abunch
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by choomanchoo View Post
I think something is wrong with your "quote button", I never said half of what you posted I did, so whenever you get a chance make sure you clear that up, alrighty

thanks abunch
There's nothing wrong with the quote button; I'm not sure how I managed to screw that up, but I'm guessing that it was just incredibly sloppy use of cut and paste, for which I am very sorry. I didn't mean to misattribute those quotes to you, and I didn't mean to fail to give Happy Camper proper attribution. I think I've got it straightened out now.

Again, I am sorry.

Geez. I am having a really, really bad week.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by DrBenway View Post
Geez. I am having a really, really bad week.
Perhaps, but I think you're being a little too hard on yourself. I for one very much appreciate a great deal of your insightful commentary on this board. I don't always agree with you, but I don't have to in order to respect the thought and effort that you put into many of your posts. You are one of a handful of folks who contribute here in way that inspires me to do the same when I have something of substance to say. It's all too easy to leave the conversational heavy lifting to the other guy, and you don't do that...thank you very much.

I think people have a tendency to be a bit thin-skinned on internet forums, including most of the folks who have posted in this thread. I've done it too, so I am by no means immune to it. It's easy to take offense where none was intended. Easy to read into a post something that was never there to begin with. Easy to be too busy defending your position rather than reading what the other person is saying. It's also easy to interpret a rebuttal of your position as an indictment of you as a person. And posting more or less anonymously on an internet forum gives everyone a chance to be the alpha-male, even if they aren't one in real life. So people will be more forward, more agressive, and more assertive in their posts then they ever would in a face-to-face discussion -- where the rules of discourse are somewhat different.

I agree that it certainly would be wise to review your posts to make sure your meaning is clear. But I would really hate to see you censor yourself out of a concern that what you say might rub someone the wrong way. I think if you did that, much of your passion for music would not be borne out in your posts. You can't please everyone after all.

In the course of debate there are going to be testy exchanges from time to time. It's the nature of the beast. So long as the discussion doesn't devolve into personal attacks and name-calling I see nothing wrong with defending your point of view. As someone who has not been a party to this debate, I can't say that I see where anyone has stepped over the line. Cooler heads seem to be prevailing, so no harm has been done.

--Jerome
post #50 of 51

Elvis!

post #51 of 51
Chuck without a doubt!
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