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post #1 of 95
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A little introduction. First let me explain what makes SC tick. DSP has a variety of different parameters. But some parameters are exclusive to specific DSP modes. The list includes the following.

Initial delay
Presence delay
Surround delay
Surround back delay
Room size

These sound field parameters are made to give the illusion of 5.1 surround sound. I will list others that will give you a different/better gaming experience.

Presence room size
Surround room size
Surround back room size
Liveness
Surround Liveness
Surround Back liveness
Reverb time
Reverb delay
Reverb level

My Yamaha has adaptive DSP. This allows me to minipulate any sound field to my liking.

SC VS DH
Gear used
Sen 650
Sony SA5000
AKG 340/240 sextetts
HK 146 receiver for DH
Yamaha V1800 for SC

Games used
Uncharted and Resistance Fall of man

Used optical when playing with DH. The HK does not support audio over HDMI.

Test results I compared both DH and SC for an HR switching back and forth. My conclusion is, They are very similar at least with SC default setting. SC 3d imaging is noticeable better. Gun fire, voices, footsteps come to life, compared to DH, which is more 2D like. SC carries more weight to the weapons and audible images. You can sense the gun is heavy and full. DH does this well too, but not as effective. SC "front scope' is better as you can 'see' much further, and has better left and right, depending on the DSP being used. DH has a uncanny depth to it, mainly regulated to center and behind. SC falls behind in this regard. DH will give you a better out of head experience, that best SC by a slight margin. DH is better at seperation. Meaning, better at isolating the location of the sound, especially in the rear, where SC has trouble conveying. both are still similar in their surround sound 5.1 presentation, with each technology having their own strength
and weaknesses. To me SC is overall better, if you can change the sound field parameters. If you can't Id recommend DH, but user preference plays a big part.
post #2 of 95
nice comparison! It makes me want to get the v1800 now. Wonder how the HFI-780s would do with these technologies seeing as how theyre touted to take advantage of them?

Also have you had any experience with CMSS-3D? I'd like to see that comparison however that might be hard as its made for PC audio.
post #3 of 95
Thanks for the detailed comparison. It really clears things up.

How difficult was it to configure the Silent Cinema DSP settings. What did you have to do?
post #4 of 95
nice work there, mind sharing this 'settings' ?
post #5 of 95
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[QUOTE=callmevil;4759073]nice work there, mind sharing this 'settings' ?[/QUOTE
Yes I will include definitions also. Make it more complete.
post #6 of 95
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Originally Posted by ATHFan View Post
Thanks for the detailed comparison. It really clears things up.

How difficult was it to configure the Silent Cinema DSP settings. What did you have to do?
Childs play. Just turn on the menu, click the parameter button on the remote the switch between the DSPs would like to configue. Mind you, each DSP parameter is set differently to make them unique. a inital delay of 45 with the Drama setting will sound different then a Initial Delay of 45 using the role playing DSP. You can go back to default settings with one press of a button. Can save the settins for later use. My receiver has around 19 DSP modes. Of course this is using the 1800. You might get more/less milage using another model.
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
Childs play. Just turn on the menu, click the parameter button on the remote the switch between the DSPs would like to configue. Mind you, each DSP parameter is set differently to make them unique. a inital delay of 45 with the Drama setting will sound different then a Initial Delay of 45 using the role playing DSP. You can go back to default settings with one press of a button. Can save the settins for later use. My receiver has around 19 DSP modes. Of course this is using the 1800. You might get more/less milage using another model.
So you have to customize existing DSP parameters? Can you alse add your own parameter?
post #8 of 95
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So you have to customize existing DSP parameters? Can you alse add your own parameter?
No. But the customization features are much greater then DH. They give you 3 pre set options thats it.
post #9 of 95
Thanks for the explanation!
post #10 of 95
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Important notice. Only models 663 and above have adaptive DSP. And the lower models only support 8 DSP mods. Yamaha does have HD and 3D cinema DSP in their higher end receivers.
post #11 of 95
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
Important notice. Only models 663 and above have adaptive DSP. And the lower models only support 8 DSP mods. Yamaha does have HD and 3D cinema DSP in their higher end receivers.
So RX-V663 doesn't miss any DSP features compared to the higher models? I thought I read somewhere the RX-V663 had a few less DSP modes. Isn't this true?
post #12 of 95
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So RX-V663 doesn't miss any DSP features compared to the higher models? I thought I read somewhere the RX-V663 had a few less DSP modes. Isn't this true?
My V1800 has 22.. The 663 has 19 I believe.
post #13 of 95
What settings are best for the adaptive DSP?
post #14 of 95
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What settings are best for the adaptive DSP?
What DSP sound field are you using?
post #15 of 95
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What DSP sound field are you using?
I'm switching between action game and roleplaying game.
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