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Spica TC-50 Speaker Set Up Help

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi, I've coveted a set of these for a long time and I finally bought a pair relatively cheap by standards in Thailand ($220). I say cheap considering everything here has to be imported by die-hard audiophiles.

Can someone help me with the proper way to set these up?There's supposed to be great at imaging, but tricky to get in the right position and I don't even know where to start.


Thanks, Brad
post #2 of 18
In general, put them on 24 inch free standing stands and pull them out from the back wall a few feet. The exact amount of space between the speaker and the wall behind the speaker will be determined empiracally. Try moving them at 6inch and then at 3 in intervals to get the best balance and image.

Play around with toeing them in towards the listener. Probably not too much. Let your ears be your guide.

Good luck. I have not heard these speakers in some time but remember them as very musical.

Barry
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks Barry. I was moving them in and out and still no magic. Your toeing in suggestion was the cure. Boy, I had to toe them in a lot! Excellent imaging as I'd always heard. Really good! Even better than my Proac Tablettes. Also a much DEEPER image than the proacs. A real sense of space in the soundstage and really captures the ambience of a recording!

Overall, the speakers are deadly accurate and revealing. To some that's a good thing, but I also find it painful when 3/4 of your cds suddenly sound like crap. The very good ones sound excellent (some better than I've ever heard them sound), but anything mediore is just horrible. MP3s (even 320kbs) are unlistenable - either that or whoever miked Nora Jones should be shot. This is really exacerbated by a complete lack of bass on rock recordings. A subwoofer is a must. The old problem: excellent for jazz, acoustic and audiophile recordings -- miserable for rock. Oh well.

I do enjoy their sound, however. The treble is punchy but still nicely under control. Not a lot of shimmer, but at least not too much bite. Some might like the slightly dry midrange, but I find it a touch cardboard soudning - at least in comparison to the very romantic sound of my Proacs. These aren't a romantic sounding speaker at all, very analytical, and I think prefer I softer, sweeter presentation, in the end.

So, I think I'll either sell them off or tuck them away until I find an old Fisher reciever or some other inexpensive tube set up and see if this mellows the Spicas out a bit. But overall, they're a load of fun and can do some amazing things. I'm glad I finally got to hear them.
post #4 of 18
I've had a pair of TC50's for about 8 years now. I used them as my primary 2 channel speakers for a couple of years in between my Acoustats and Apogee Stages. I'd agree pretty much with your take on them. If you don't know already, John Bau, the slightly eccentric designer, intentionally rolled off the top and bottom ends of the TC50 to get a basically flat response curve from 60Hz to 17kHz. The result is a fantastic midrange with soft highs and a steeply rolled off bass response.

The steep rolloff on the bottom end makes for easy and excellent matching with a good subwoofer like an REL Strata or Vandersteen.

A company named Sound Anchor made a super heavy duty speaker stand in the early 1990's designed especially for the TC50's that used metal ball bearing couplings and a heavy duty bolt to firmly afix the speaker onto the stand.

Using this stand extended the bass about another octave down and made the TC50 into a truly wonderful main speaker rig.

Of course, 50Hz is still only 50Hz and you won't get the visceral bass slam you'd normally get with a fuller range speaker, but for holographic imaging and spatial presence, the Spicas are an incredible deal for the price.

I ran my TC50s with an Audio Research tube amp and they seemed to prefer tubes to solid state. When I switched amps to my current McCormack DNA1, the imaging and depth collapsed to a much greater degree than I expected.

Finally, be very careful with the drivers on the TC50. They are extremely fragile and easy to blow with a distorting amp or a short. Also, bear in mind that they are low impedance, 4 ohm speakers and need plenty of current to drive them properly. In this regard, they are VERY different speakers from the Proacs. You really need a high current amp to drive the TC50s properly.

I have a users manual that I could scan and post if you'd like. It gives extremely detailed instructions on setup and other topics.

BTW, I'm currently using my Spicas as the two front speakers in my 5.1 computer HT setup and they are amazing for DVDs and MP3s as you can imagine!

Madisound usually carries replacement drivers for the TC50s if you ever fry one of them. I think the exact original driver has long since been sold out, but there are comparable drivers that should fit the original mounting holes.

You can also mod the crossover on the TC50s pretty easily by replacing the cheapo caps, inductors and resistors in the network.

FINALLY, in case you haven't done so already, you may want to check and see if 1) both speakers are in phase and 2) all the individual drivers are in phase.

As I mentioned above, Spicas had a history of stressing out weaker amps and blowing out drivers. Many people would replace the drivers themselves and improperly wire the drivers (tweeters and/or woofers) out of phase. The Spicas should have a full midrange, if nothing else and having midrange "suck out" is often an indication of a phase problem.
post #5 of 18
Boy,
how efficient are the TC50s? I got a pair of SC30s that I need to refoam which I believe were the bottom of the Spica line.
If you could scan that TC50 manual, it would be appreciated!
thanks
md
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the excellent info, BoyElroy. I would love to hear these babies with tubes, myself. Last night I put on a recording I've heard a hundred times (the soundtrack from "Peter Gunn" by Henry Mancini), but I've never heard the acoustics of the recording studio reproduced before. It was almost frightening (but exciting!).

Yes, I did my homework yesterday on the web and found the interview with John Bau at enjoythesound. When asked if there were any upgrades that owners could do, he mention replacing the caps with film types (sadly, I'm not a DYI'er - though the temptation has been really growing on me lately). I wonder what magic that would wrought? Smoother and a bit more refined? Hmmm. How tempting! Maybe this could be my first DYI project?

I've got them on some rock solid stands, that have served me well before. I got them here in Thailand and their solid wood and heavy as hell. Seem pretty good for imaging (certainly) but I don't know if tree trunks will add that extra octave you talk about.

Yes, I see that the Audax still makes a tweeter replacement, but your out of luck with the bass driver if you blow it. I'm a very "low level" listener, luckily. So I don't think I'll have any problems even running them with my megre Adcom GFA535 (how happy am I about buying that amp used for $100 dollars six years ago? But, like a dummy, the seller was a sound man who had about a dozen amps and wanted to sell me two for bi-amping and I didn't go for it. Duh!) Obviously you can tell I've always been in pursuit of being a budget audiophile. That's why I was so happy to land a pair of TC-50s. One of the ultimate budget bargains!

I didn't open up the speaker to see if the tweeter was in phase, but I'll give that a look. I want to get that midrange just right. I'd love a gander at that manual, too, if it's not too much trouble to scan and post on the web.

Thanks again for your help and comments!
post #7 of 18
Hi Guys,

Here's the directory with the TC50 user's manual files. I didn't have time to OCR them so they're up as .gifs for the moment. I'll prob. redo them as .pdf's next week.

Spica TC50 Manual
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Wow! My boy Elroy, what a guy!

Thanks a lot. Thanks for taking the effor to scan the manual. I'm sure there are plenty of audiophiles out there who'd love to see it. I guess they just have to stumble into head-fi at this point.

Cheers,
Thanks alot!
post #9 of 18
Hope you enjoy the Spicas!
post #10 of 18
I had a pair in the 80s, great speakers for the price!

Has there been any newer version of Spica since TC-50?
post #11 of 18
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Originally posted by Gergor
I had a pair in the 80s, great speakers for the price!

Has there been any newer version of Spica since TC-50?
There was the Angelus in the late 80's (this was named the Gumby speaker because it looked like Gumby) and the TC-60 in the early 90's. Both were great speakers and had magical imaging.
post #12 of 18
John Bau sold Spica to Parasound and Parasound did away with the line after awhile. John Bau is now out of audio designing. A magazine (not sure if print or on-line) had an interview with him a couple of years ago.

Great speakers, that is the TC-50, 60 and Angelus.
post #13 of 18
Millerdog--

The Spica TC50s are not very efficient speakers, especially when compared to other bookshelf/minimonitor speakers. They present a pretty difficult 4 ohm load for most receivers and in my experience with them, need a dedicated amp capable of putting out at least 50+ watts into 4 ohms to sound their best.
post #14 of 18
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Originally posted by scottpaul_iu
John Bau sold Spica to Parasound and Parasound did away with the line after awhile. John Bau is now out of audio designing. A magazine (not sure if print or on-line) had an interview with him a couple of years ago.

Great speakers, that is the TC-50, 60 and Angelus.
So, are these speakers still in production?

Which one is the best in your opinion?
post #15 of 18
Quote:
Originally posted by Gergor
So, are these speakers still in production?

Which one is the best in your opinion?
These speakers are long gone. The TC-50 were the originals, then the Angelus, then the TC-60 which were an update on the 50's.

Any of them are worthwhile. Hard to say which is best, they all did things well.
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