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post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
So I received my Super.fi-5 (new version)... and I don't really like them. It's difficult for me to get a good fit with them, and the sound is a little boring. The "iPhone" compatible plug REALLY irritates me as well. It's so small and thin, it can be annoying to pull out of headphone jacks.

I'm likely going to return them.

Still on the search for an interim universal IEM while I wait for my '08 tax return and customs. The sound I'm looking for is essentially, like the ER-4P, but with better bass and a bit backed off on the highs. They can sometimes be fatiguing.

I'd like to hear some opinions about specific earphones...

Shure E4c/SCL4: Compared to ER-4P, how do these sound? I get the impression from many reviews I've read that they are a little toned down on the bass compared to other Shures and have better highs and clarity. My experience with Shure was they all sounded like mud, but then again I only used the E2, E3 and E5.

Futuresonic Atrio M5: They're ugly and huge but they appear to be very comfortable (as have many reviewers stated). I like the presence of memory wire. They're also 32 ohms which would knock the hiss on my A728 dead. I hear they have rolled-off highs; I want something less than the ER-4P, but I don't want something that sounds like mud.

Westone UM2: I hear a lot about these, about their wonderful comfort and near total lack of microphonic noise. I also hear that they have rolled off highs. Any UM2 owners, care to comment? I've heard they accept EQing well.

Any other suggestions would be welcome, but I've already tried the Sleek SA6 and the shape of the driver housing caused me too much discomfort, so they had to be returned. The UE Triple.fi are outside my budget; I can get customs for that price, and my ears are too small to comfortably fit the Super.fi 5 Pro, which are smaller than the TF10.
post #2 of 32
You'd probably want to look at a Shure SE210 or maybe a set of the Ety ER6i.

EDIT - I misread your requirements. I thought you said less bass. I think you'd be very happy with the Klipsch Image X10s. Also maybe consider the Sennheiser CX500s or Head Direct RE2s
post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
Forgot to mention, I did try the Image X10, and I found that they were too warm/soft for me and they were no less microphonic than the ER-4P. I am trying to get away from IEMs that don't have a facility for over-the-ear style.

I actually think I like the ER-6i better than the ER-4P. Certainly the highs are nice, but not too overemphasized. But I was hoping for something with a bit more low end. The 6i didn't have any more bass than the 4P did.

Mrr. I've already bought and returned 4 pair of IEMs since I decided to replace the ER-4P. I'm not knowing what to do at this point!
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic View Post
Forgot to mention, I did try the Image X10, and I found that they were too warm/soft for me and they were no less microphonic than the ER-4P. I am trying to get away from IEMs that don't have a facility for over-the-ear style.

I actually think I like the ER-6i better than the ER-4P. Certainly the highs are nice, but not too overemphasized. But I was hoping for something with a bit more low end. The 6i didn't have any more bass than the 4P did.

Mrr. I've already bought and returned 4 pair of IEMs since I decided to replace the ER-4P. I'm not knowing what to do at this point!
Actually, you can wear the X10s over-the-ear style. If you stick with the gels all you need do is twist them to the proper position. However, for OTE style, I recommend some Complys.
post #5 of 32
Thread Starter 
I tried doing it, trust me. =) I tried with my ER-4P also and was never able to. Because the IEMs have the shape of a round tube, when inserted into my ears they angle downward. If I try to twist the strain relief up to accommodate over-the-ear wear, the seal breaks. Apparently I have weird ears.
post #6 of 32
Q-Jays?

I've never heard them but they are referred to as Etys with bass sometimes & they're tiny to boot.
post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
I have not tried Q-Jays yet, but I don't like the two-part cable. They are a little outside what I want to spend. I want to keep it around $150, since I will be buying custom IEMs when I receive my federal income tax return in 2009. These are just to use for the time being.
post #8 of 32
I'm not a fan of 2 part cables much either. $179.99 shipped from SoundEarphones though seems a pretty good deal.
post #9 of 32
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic View Post
I tried doing it, trust me. =) I tried with my ER-4P also and was never able to. Because the IEMs have the shape of a round tube, when inserted into my ears they angle downward. If I try to twist the strain relief up to accommodate over-the-ear wear, the seal breaks. Apparently I have weird ears.
Okay, from what you said, I get that you put the phones in the downward way and then try to bend the the strain relief upward to wrap the wire over your ear while keeping the phone in a downward way position.

If that is correct then put the phones in the upward way and let them set up. You won't need to bend or twist the strain relief.
post #10 of 32
Thread Starter 
I did that too. The tension on the wire kept the tube housing the drivers from angling down, thus breaking the seal.

If the strain relief on both the ER-4P and the Image x10 were at a 90-degree angle to the driver housing, it wouldn't be as problematic, but because both strain reliefs are at a 45 degree angle it causes a problem.

The design of the ER-6i was far easier to use over-the-ear because the strain relief was inside the housing rather than out, and the wire left the housing perpendicular to the centerline of the device itself.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic View Post
I did that too. The tension on the wire kept the tube housing the drivers from angling down, thus breaking the seal.

If the strain relief on both the ER-4P and the Image x10 were at a 90-degree angle to the driver housing, it wouldn't be as problematic, but because both strain reliefs are at a 45 degree angle it causes a problem.

The design of the ER-6i was far easier to use over-the-ear because the strain relief was inside the housing rather than out, and the wire left the housing perpendicular to the centerline of the device itself.
Got ya.
post #12 of 32
Synaesthetic, it looks like, to sum up, you wana look into the shure SE310's or SE420's, the Q-jays (if you can stomach the 2-bit cable) and westone UM2's (Spyro should be able to give a very detailed idea of these). However, with regards to diminishing sony DAP hiss, try and get a resistor adaptor. I have an Oehlbach brand 120 Ohm plug-type and it works wonders, whilst also resolving the SQ significantly (at the expense of a little soundstage), not to mention cos its a plug-type it fits snugly into your portable rig!





That should give you an idea of what it looks like and its size (soz about poor photo quality!).
post #13 of 32
Man! I'm wanting a set of UM2s awful bad! All someone has to do is mention UM2s and I go to Homer'ing all over myself.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by lewislink View Post
Man! I'm wanting a set of UM2s awful bad! All someone has to do is mention UM2s and I go to Homer'ing all over myself.
I'd love a pair also but clearly not that bad
post #15 of 32
To the OP: You've tried both the X10s and the Sleeks and neither meets you standards, for different reasons. I have both, and I am not sure how the Sleeks can bump/touch your ear, because if that's the case, you can simply swivel them out to they do not bump any parts of the ear. I guess I don't understand the problem. Plus, they are very easy to wear over the ear.

As for the X10s, I attached a simple shirt clip ($6) and they make absolutely no microphonic sound (and I wear them walking). Plus, I also thought the sound was a little too dark/warm at first, but a minor EQ adjustment on the upper end solved that concern.

I am keeping both the X10 and the SA6s, as my two main IEMs (and I have many, as you can see from my sig, but no Shures).

If the Westone UM2s or the Shure 420s/530s don't do it for you, I'd say you are out of options with universal IEMs on the higher end. I can't imagine an IEM more comfortable than the X10s with the gels, even the UM2s (and I owned the UM1s, so I know the form factor).

Good luck, but I think you options are dwindling. Maybe a pair of PX-100s or Portapros?
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