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post #1 of 17
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Hello head-fi,

I'm a Newbie to this forum. The adventure started about six months ago, when I was walking through the Adelphi and saw a display window with headphones. There was no shop, only the address of a unit. I was excited... was this really a chance to pick out a headphone and an amplifier from a reasonable selection? It was thus I found Jaben and met Wilson.

Initially, after much deliberation, I bought a Predator and an HD650. I have a strong recollection of the head-fi Pico vs. Predator thread... quite a saga. (I also remember a long discussion on the directionality of carbon resistors, which was quite amusing.) Anyway, back to the essence: listening to the Predator, fed by an iPod 4G and driving HD650's, I was stunned. The level of emotion was unlike anything I had experienced from headphones (or speakers, for that matter). I must thank Insomniac, who sold me his SR-71. This has since become my all-time favourite amplifier. The HD650s have since acquired a Cardas cable (thanks to SR-71Panorama) and I have managed to finally secure an iMod 5G, which brings me to the present post...

I was looking at the 5G and reading about how a dock with good caps would enhance the listening experience. How could I resist? I looked at the "commercial" offerings, considered their cost, and wondered... would I do it differently? You have probably guessed. I looked through several capacitor reviews and asked for advice. The Teflon vCaps were highly recommended, but come with a slight metallic (hard) quality to their sound (I've never heard them). Two caps in parallel for each line or one? A leading expert suggests one. So, which cap tops them all? Silver Audio Note (UK), of course (still a notch below Audio Note Japan, which is beyond the reach of common mortals). A 3000 USD dock with silver foil capacitors seemed like overkill. So, the next recommendation was copper foil. Jensens look good. Reading further, I questioned their insulation: paper-in-oil. Then, looking at Audio Note's website, I notice that Peter has switched from paper-in-oil to Mylar, the same insulator he uses in his silver (very expensive) capacitors. He also offers to exchange the copper foil, paper-in-oil capacitors that develop defects. Hmmmm. I call Audio Note UK and ask as politely as I can if they would kindly, please, pretty please, ship out two 3.3 micro-farad copper foil with Mylar capacitors (52 GBP each).

Now, back to the wires, what to use? Jena is the reference. My buddy Steve uses Jena and silver. Nice. What else is available? Well, one lonely posting on head-fi mentions a Crystal Cable Piccolo interconnect. What is this? Crystal Cable, sounds good, but funny... a glass cable? Looking further, I find them on the web. I finally discover that they make wires ranging from a few hundred dollars per meter to several k USD per meter (that's thousands of US Dollars, in case it wasn't clear). I was struck by the fact that reviewers said that they work and are worth the price. What on earth??!! Maybe these Crystal Cables will be good enough for my dock...

I got in touch with Gabi, one of the more remarkable people I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with. In her gracious kindness, she actually cut the wires to the lengths I requested and shipped out a one-time order of Crystal Cable Micro.

All of this went to Steve (down under, lives near to where I hang out). He actually designed and built the dock. His patience and professionalism know no bounds (that I have discovered). The dock is sealed, since I live in a humid environment. Pictures are below. Beware of the caps, they are not only large, but heavy. If you exercise regularly, this dock will help you train for the next Olympics… it weighs in at 922 grams (two pounds).

So, here go the images (taken by Steven). Let’s start with the caps:


... and the wires:


Top right shows a mini-to-mini IC, made by Gabi. This is Crystal Cable Standard grade, a notch above the Micro wire. A closer image of this IC:


Stripped Micro wire (NOT a sexist remark):


… and a comparison with other stripped wires (this is getting bad):


Moving onto the dock, the front face:

Notice the wires have an intrinsic rigidity.

The inside of the dock:


And the capacitors inside the box, showing why it could not be any smaller:


When everything comes together…


Last, but not least, since I live in the tropics, the entry and exit points are sealed and a silica gel packet is inside the box (Steve’s idea):



Steve also made an LOD (with blackgates) and a female-mini-to-RCA IC, as shown below.




The sound is remarkable (it's a week since I received the dock). I compare it to excellent red wine: liquid, full-bodied, and very, very luscious. Sorry for the buzz-words… I can’t do the soundstage-in-my-head thing.
The dock's practicality is questionable. While being portable, it is quite big and heavy (for those who felt the SR-71 was large, this is at least twice the size).

The following is quoted from Steve, who was the first to listen to this rig (after he diligently burned-in the capacitors). “Certainly the Audio Notes are not cool or neutral though! The one word I did get hit with is smooth. I think that leads to many hours of non-fatiguing listening, which is nice. That's not a maybe/maybe not difference V the Blackgates, it's a big difference.”

What I will say, after more listening, is that the dock turns the iMod into a completely different beast, from very good to seductive, highly seductive, even after listening for a prolonged period.

Today, I enjoy HD650/SR-71 and a Predator/DT880 in the office. My partner has discovered the HD485, driven by a 5G iPod (in a green leather case).

I have chosen to share the fruit of my meanderings through head-fi and portable audio as a way of thanking this community, who have taught me a great deal and, mostly without their knowledge, guided all I describe above.

I would like to thank Uncle Wilson for introducing me to this pastime. His generosity is remarkable and I have very much enjoyed spending time with him. I would also like to thank Steve for his patience and unflagging diligence as this project took its good old time. Gabi has been exceptional and I very much hope she will make cables for us. They are beautiful and, in my opinion, very serious contenders for a new benchmark. Silver filled with gold = clarity (... Crystal).

I remain at your disposal to answer any questions.

Feel free to flame me. I love the heat.

Will I am.


P.S. A question for all ye portable audiophiles (the equipment, not the listener): is anyone working on a portable music source with USB out, preferably with low jitter?


Disclaimer: Since I am new to head-fi posting, I would like to clarify that this is not the fruit of my work on behalf of any company or entity. It was my own initiative and I paid for all materials and labour out of my own pocket. I did my own research and requested advice from a few people. They are not responsible for any mistakes I may have made, entirely on my own.
post #2 of 17
That's pretty bad-ass! Nice use of Eichmanns. They are the Silver Bullets, correct?
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

RCA connectors

Thanks.

Yes, I believe they are Silver Eichmanns.
post #4 of 17
So what was your total cost in USD when all was said and done?
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
I haven't done the entire calculation. The caps were 220 USD with shipping and the quoted retail for unterminated Crystal Cable Micro is 200 Euros/metre. The price of connectors is known. The box is about 20 USD and we need to add the labor involved. I estimate the total cost for the dock plus LOD and IC's at slightly over 1000 USD.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

follow-up

I have been listening to the output of this dock through a Rudistor RP5.3, kindly loaned by Wilson. I have found few reviews of this amp, which looks like a sleeper to me. It's a hybrid amp. The sound is remarkably well-controlled and alive. The dock opens up the iPod as a source, allowing it to do justice to a decent amp. Listening with three different headphones: HD650, DT880, and PS1 (loaned by Wilson), it is clear that the Rudistor does what the SR-71 cannot do. This was most evidenced by the PS1, which sounded thin and pretty poor off the SR-71, coming to life with the Rudistor. I was also surprised by the HD650, which seemed to show more clarity with the stock cable than with the Cardas. What I will say, to conclude, is that the dock has opened up the iPod as a viable source for a decent full-size amp, allowing me to discover this new dimension (a new experience, for me).
post #7 of 17
billyboy: this is a nice setup and great pictures too, but... (Darn, not that nasty "but" again...)

Here are a few issues to consider, if you are still considering improvements to this set.

The capacitors you picked are rated at 500V (not very clear in the picture) and this has some implications. The higher the voltage, the thicker the dielectric, and that's a bad thing. Always strive for the least dielectric appropriate for the task!

Obviously there are "side effects" stemming from that choice of caps. Lower voltage caps of the same structure (and quality) would be physically smaller. Smaller dimensions usually behave electrically better within the same product type (i.e. copper and mylar in this case).

The size is even more significant in this particular case, since it required that you mount the caps in a separate box with two sets of interconnects and the associated mechanical/electrical interfaces.

Here is a possible trade-off which may be superior overall (while the individual components may not). Pick a much physically smaller capacitor that still is a foil type (i.e. not a high-ESR metalized type). It may not have the stellar reputation of the AN copper caps but would be not too far on the performance curve. The loss of quality of the capacitor selection would be offset by a less "intrusive" (i.e. thinner) and therefore more "transparent" dielelctric.
In addition, you may be able to build a single pair of custom interconnects which incorporate the capacitor into the interconnect, if the capacitor is small enough. I can imagine a scenario where the capacitor leads are the actual wires of the "interconnect"...
You save a few electro/mechanical interfaces and a few solder joints in this "reduced" implementation.

Another consideration regarding the capacitance value. While 2.2uF is a fairly safe value, it might be somewhat an overkill for the impedance at the input of a typical headphone amplifier (I couldn't find the data for the Pico). You might be able to use 0.47uF or 1.0uF with no ill effects. The smaller cap values would be physically even smaller.
For example, Hovland makes 100V caps for speaker crossovers, which are every bit as good as "proper coupling caps" from Hovland. The 1uF unit measures 0.55" D x 2.00" L and the 2.2uF is 0.75" D x 2.25" L. The leads are silver-plated copper with teflon insulation, perfect for "short interconnects". Hmmm...

What do you think?!
Decisions, decisions...
post #8 of 17
I've got something in the works from Steve, I'll be back to post.. or to make my own post around then. Would love to A/B our docks AND the interconnects, too! But you're in Singapore
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

when it rains, it pours

Two posts in one day. Wow!

Very interesting. Thank you! So, you suggest that using a 500V-rated capacitor for a 2V application is overkill? Maybe that explains why the box weighs 1kg. My selection was based on this shootout. I cannot say that I am an expert in capacitors. That would be ludicrous. My only selection criterion was how to couple the output of an iMod (i.e. its DAC) in a way that brings out the most sonic quality. The calculation for the value I chose (3.3 micro-farads) was made by our buddy Steve, who ran a basic equation for determining the corner frequency (freq = inverse of (2pi.C.R)). For a 47k-ohm input impedance, typical across most amps, including the Rudistor RP5.3, we pull up a value of 1.03 hertz. Very low, you say. Phase distortion may occur (nominally, as there is no sharp cutoff) up to a frequency of 10 times the corner frequency... 13 Hz. Ok, we are safe. However, reduce the capacitance to 1 micro-farad and this frequency rises to 34 hertz, beginning to intrude into the audible spectrum, particularly in a region where bass-heads (which I do not consider myself to be) are most sensitive. So, I ended up with Audio Note Copper foil (in Mylar) at 3.3 micro-farads... for a total weight described above.

Having said all of this, your comments interest me and I find the suggestion that smaller caps would work as well intriguing. You are suggesting that a thick dielectric could get in the way. I really, really don't know, but am prepared to consider the possibility. More to the point, I may try the Hovland capacitor you propose. Proof of the pudding... is in the eating. Translated: Proof of the capacitor is in the listening.

Not to state the obvious, I did all I could to minimise solder joints and interconnects. That is why the dock went straight onto the wire and the termination is a mini. Today, with a full-size amp in mind, I can see how two RCA plugs would be an improvement.

My, oh my... how am I going to go back to my portable rig?

What do I think? I think I very much appreciate your contribution and will look into sourcing the Hovlands for a new dock! Thanks you for providing a concrete example.

From Singapore to Colorado... I definitely look forward to reading your impressions. Since Singapore is on the way from Colorado to Adelaide, if you ever stop by, it'll be a pleasure to meet you. Without Steve, many of these experimental projects would not see the light of day.
post #10 of 17
Trust me on this...Ori knows what he's talking about. He's been an EE for, what, 40 years or so is it? His OMZ DAC sounds really, really great. The heart of it is his custom built fully discreet analog output stage, and I'm no expert, but...I'm happy as hell with its performance.

Ori, any possibility of more OMZs in the future? I know you were running out of stock on the 2.5A Zhaolus, and time invested vs. returns was low, but...

At the very least, will you continue refining the current 4.1 version, or consider modding them any further (better caps and resistors over stock, for example)? I'd be the first in line if you want to tinker...
post #11 of 17
JJ, what's that Liverpool FC logo?! They used to be on my fave list but constant whining and threats of resignation every other week proved too much for me... I think I'll go with Hull or Stoke City this year...

No rocket science with the cap project, just literally thinking outside the (big!) box...
I still marvel the build quality of that capacitor box, with hermetic seals and all that. It's a work of art by itself!
post #12 of 17
Liverpool is my team, but god, they've looked like crap this year. Strickly going by their record is one thing, but to watch them play is about as fun as pulling teeth. Last gasp 1-0 wins are not going to cut it this year...not with an almost 45 million pound strike force.
post #13 of 17
billyboy. Lovely work, but a serious question. For the kind of money you spent you could have bought the Wadia 170 iPod doc and then built an opus or Buffalo DAC from TPA (or even just bough a decent DAC) - and that combo would have been a huge leap in perfornmance over your doc (even if your doc is the best analogue doc ever made for an iPod). So why didn't go that route instead of this one.
post #14 of 17
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From Liverpool FC to Wadia 170iTransport...

Thanks for the compliment. I didn't consider the Wadia out of ignorance, not knowing of its existence. Looking slightly further, I realize that I was looking for a portable source. I was fascinated at how Vinnie had taken the output of the iPod DAC and allowed the possibility of choosing the coupling caps. The iPod, in my opinion, provides an exceptional combination: large storage, portable, user interface, and a decent DAC chip (for a portable device). I understand that many people listen to CD's from a source (or even Vinyl from a turntable). I have not gone there yet and, where I stand today, I view CD's as an archive. Digital music is most conveniently stored for access on a hard drive. So, the iPod allows portable access to stored music. I then looked at the commercially-available capacitor docks, realising that higher quality caps enhanced the listening experience considerably. I then looked at this capacitor comparison. Then I asked myself... since I do not do much DIY, how could I optimize the output of this portable source (in a portable, or at least transportable) manner.

So, I learned something today. I had no idea one could extract the digital signal from an iPod. I thought the only output available was from the internal DAC. The Wadia 170 will allow even the newer iPods to be used. Then, the only remaining challenge is to find a good DAC, with a solid output stage. Some comments I have seen suggest that DACs from the '90s have far better output stage than those of today. Indeed, for home use, this would seem the better route. In fact, maybe a Squeezebox into a DAC... bypass the iPod.

Thanks for the tip.
post #15 of 17
Interesting - it would be nice if we could mod it to use it as a transport with an external dac

It'd be even nicer if we just had a true audiophile PDAP

For me, the wadia is out of the question from both expense and it's home-only application
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