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I want to get usb audio to sound as good or better than my cd player because I much prefer the convenience of playing music on my computer, but so far I haven't been able to get the audio quality there yet. |

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You know what I think your problem is? Its not the gear. No, not the gear.
It's you. You are trying soooo hard to listen to the hardware, you are forgetting the most important part. Just listening to the tunes instead. You are worrying about stuff that really isnt that important and its spoiling your enjoyment. Its not your fault, you've been told that this kind of thing should happen, mainly by people who sell $800 digital cables and $2000 DACs. There is a huge difference. Once you listen to the music rather then the hardware it sounds 1000000 times better. There is no better upgrade or tweak. And its free. |
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thats fair enough, but this is an audiophiles forum as well, and the term audiophile doesnt mean someone who just listens to the music, it entails all the kit and kaboodle also.
all this i enjoy immensely. |
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You know what I think your problem is? Its not the gear. No, not the gear.
It's you. You are trying soooo hard to listen to the hardware, you are forgetting the most important part. Just listening to the tunes instead. You are worrying about stuff that really isnt that important and its spoiling your enjoyment. |
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If you don't care about better audio, why are you on head-fi? I consider the music coming from my cd player to sound much better than from my computer. Even so, 99% of the audio I listen to comes from my computer because it's much more convenient. I can assure you I enjoy listening to music on my computer, and have been doing so long before there were mp3s. I also think it's reasonable to try to improve things when they're not as good as I know they can be. I enjoy that part too. This is a hobby after all.
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And what difference does it make? In the case of a HDD the data is stored in an on-board buffer before being written to the disk and in an audio output device the data is stored in an on-board buffer before being sent to the PLL and then on to the DAC.
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The difference between a cheap USB cable performance and a really good USB cable performance is the amount of jitter that it adds. Jitter is added through several mechanisms:
1) losses 2) Inter-symbol interference (ISI) 3) reflections due to impedance discontinuities All of these have an effect at the USB receiver. Now, whether or not this affects the audio stream depends on the USB interface. If it is an optimally implemented Asynchronous or block-transfer protocol, then the jitter does not matter. It is buffered at the receiver just like a disk drive or printer. The master clock is in the receiving device. However, if it is a Adaptive-mode USB protocol, then it is sensitive to the jitter as this is passed through a PLL that recovers the clock. The master clock from the computer is used. The USB cable will have an effect in this case. This does not mean that one USB protocol will necessarily sound a lot better than the other. All three USB modes be excellent, with jitter on the threshold of audibility. The ultimate performance depends on the clock quality and implementation. Steve N. Empirical Audio |
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Jitter on the threshold of audibility, what are you talking about? I've never read such rubbish. I take it you have proof of this and jitter measurements for the cable you are peddling with comparisons of the jitter caused by cheaper cable?
I would also like you to explain how reflections in the USB cable are going to have any audible impact on sound quality whatsoever. Perhaps you'd like to explain how a PLL recovers the clock from the computer, rather than the originating ADC or masterclock. And while you're at it explain how a PLL does not reject the jitter caused during digital transfer, in whatever USB mode. I don't know what your three points above refer to but it's nothing to do with digital audio, it's complete nonsense. I would have hoped that you had seen the error of your ways when Dan Lavry destroyed your arguments and exposed you as the charlatan you are. Instead, you've decided to come here to try to fool the consumers as the professionals saw right through you. If it were up to me I'd have people like you fined or imprisoned for spouting pseudo scientific BS in a deliberate attempt to mis-lead consumers into buying your stupidly priced cable which have no benefits whatsoever, except to your bank balance. I look forward to your answers to my questions above but we both know that you will do or say anything to avoid answering with accurate facts and figures. G |

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funny that, i posed a question to you earlier on another thread, i re-emphasized it twice, you blatantly ignored it, because it suited you to do so, because i guess (as it hasnt been clarified) that you had zero experience with the cables you were trashing or claiming to speak for
pot and kettle!! perhaps you would do well to go here inbetween all your slander and OTT personal attacks. gregorio spouted: "If it were up to me I'd have people like you fined or imprisoned"... ...calm down dear, its just a commercial! ![]() |
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Does anyone know if it's worth buy a "high" quality USB cable to connect a PC/Laptop to USB DAC? I'm looking for a cable to connect an EMU 0202 USB to my laptop. I read somewhere that the best USB cable you can buy is the Tricon USB by Synergistic Research, but they aren't available online, there is no price listed, and the store locater does not work (I don't know what the big secret is?). It's probably too expensive anyway (My guess is around $100).
What about the Belkin Home Theater USB 2.0 Cable? Belkin or Monster Cable Performance Digital USB 2.0 Audio Cable Buy Monster Cable Performance Digital USB 2.0 Audio Cable at Musician's Friend Does anyone know if these have any different cables have any effect on the audio quality? |
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3) reflections due to impedance discontinuities
All of these have an effect at the USB receiver. Steve N. Empirical Audio |
