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post #91 of 325
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So I've spent the past two hours doing some preliminary listening comparisons of my Paradisea+ and the brand new Havana.

I'll simply quote here what I posted at Audiogon a bit earlier. There was a recent post there from a fellow wondering about the differences between the Paradisea and Havana:

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Hi.

I've had the Paradisea+ for six months. As most who have heard this DAC will claim, ... I love it. It strikes a wonderful balance between detail, musicality and ease that works so great with my Grado RS1's.

That said ...

"Mouse," at MHDT labs was gracious enough to loan me a new Havana for this weekends Houston Head-fi meet.

I just got it today and even pre burn in (really just caps and fuse since it has no opamp) I'm noticing pretty dramatic differences over the Paradisea+.

Number 1: Significantly more detailed; could be a plus or a minus depending on your preferences. But the detail is several notches more with the Havana. This might have to do with the lack of an OPAMP.

Number 2: More "air" and space to the instrument seperation. Again, fairly substantial of a difference. This, of course, enhances the sound stage effect (which I personally sort of like).

Number 3: Technically as nit picky as I can be, ... the Havana is not as utterly smooth and seductive as the Paradisea+

The Paradisea+, though slightly narrower sounding and slightly less detailed, still possesses this unbelievable ease about the way it delivers the music.

On the flip side of that same coin, some folks might describe the Paradisea+ as sluggish or 'blurred' compared to the Havana.

This very initial difference in the DACs could very well change once the brand new Havana has 200 or more hours on it (my Paradisea+ is pushing 1000 hours easy).

The difference in detail and transparency is pretty darn impressive, though, I can say that unequivocally ...

The Havana is certainly a bit more "refined" of a transmission ... rather surprising clarity ... the sort of trait one never even knows was missing from one's previous equipment ... that is until something different is sitting on one's desk.

Anyway.

Just some thoughts ...

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post #92 of 325
You're killing me...
post #93 of 325
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Originally Posted by Orcin View Post
You're killing me...
You'll see what I mean.



Whether said above differences would have prompted me to spend 900 dollars on the Havana vs. the 600 I paid for the Paradisea+ is pretty difficult to say.

Anyway ...

I want to hear the Havana with the SE woo amp for sure.

That might be a stellar pairing.

Funny. The Tung Sol 396A that I find too fuzzy in the Paradisea+ is actually a *lot* better sounding in the more naturally "clarion" Havana.

Conversely (but expectedly), I think my fav Paradisea+ tube, the Bendix 2C51, may end up being a bit too edgy sounding in the Havana!

So funny.

Anyway, looking forward to your thoughts on the Havana at this weekend's meet.
post #94 of 325
You might feel the same way about the tubes with the stock opamp in the Paradisea.

Yeah, I think the Havana and the SE need to be paired up with your computer as the source. I'll put the WA6 with my rig. The Sophia Princess goes in the SE of course. I'll try to get some burn-in hours on it.
post #95 of 325
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You're killing me...
At least you get to go to the meet! Anyways, I look forward to the meet impressions.
post #96 of 325
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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post
The difference in detail and transparency is pretty darn impressive, though, I can say that unequivocally ...

The Havana is certainly a bit more "refined" of a transmission ... rather surprising clarity ... the sort of trait one never even knows was missing from one's previous equipment ... that is until something different is sitting on one's desk.

I know what you mean. I agree with your impressions so far. However, once I got my Benchmark DAC1 USB back from Empirical Audio with full mods, the Havana is now "sluggish or 'blurred'" in comparison, and by a significant margin. In addition, all the other traits you mention are also significantly better on the modded Benchmark than the Havana. It's funnny we can't precieve those things, until we are able to do actual A/B comparisons. I guess that can be a good thing though.
post #97 of 325
Although the last couple of posts got lost, I did read them this morning.

Yeah, there is a big difference in price between a modded Benchmark and the Havana, and my point was not one of price or value, but just that I was extending the observation by s1rrah of: "rather surprising clarity ... the sort of trait one never even knows was missing from one's previous equipment ... that is until something different is sitting on one's desk."

And as far as the modded Benchmark being so detailed as to be clinical sounding, that is far from actuallity. Not only is it more detailed and clearer, but the musicality, emotion, soundstaging, transparency, naturalness, etc. are all noticably better than the Havana. I'm not putting down the Havana at all. It is better than the stock Benchmark and is a great sounding DAC and a great value.
post #98 of 325
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Although the last couple of posts got lost, I did read them this morning..
Where did the posts go?

Strange that mod action would have been necessary.

Thought there was some right decent dialogue going on, myself.

Thanks for the comment, though "bdh".

Best.
post #99 of 325
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Where did the posts go?
See the Head-Fi Home page.
post #100 of 325
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Just a friendly Paradisea+(/Havana) related bit of juice.

On ebay...

A set of two Bendix 2C51's:

Bendix 2C51 matched pair NOS , Perfect condition. 396A - eBay (item 280279028049 end time Oct-28-08 13:54:27 PDT)

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Also ...

A set of four Bendix 5670 "Eclipse" tubes:

5670 BENDIX ECLIPSE~2C51 396A~TEST GREAT~TUBE AMPLIFIER - eBay (item 180293549977 end time Oct-25-08 17:05:51 PDT)

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I'll buy one of those 5670's off of anyone if you decide to drop the coin for the entire set of four.



Just doing my part.

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post #102 of 325
Of course I'm still jealous of the Houston meet and the Havana!...is it tomorrow?
post #103 of 325
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So how much did you pay?

Congrats!!

I'm hoping mine arrives tomorrow some time.

post #104 of 325
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Of course I'm still jealous of the Houston meet and the Havana!...is it tomorrow?
Yes. The meet is tomorrow. I'll have my computer based rig set up there for seven hours or so.

I'm using the Havana for the meet (it's sounding so good after a 100 hours or so play time!).

I'm loaning my Paradisea+ to another attendee to use with her Headamp GS-1 (I'm sure your familiar with that pairing)

Anyway ... I'm going to take tons of pics and video and will be posting later this weekend.

Best.

.joel
post #105 of 325
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So how much did you pay?

Congrats!!

I'm hoping mine arrives tomorrow some time.

$230 for 4. I was going to offer you one but by then you had already got yours.

I hope you and Orcin have a good time! You should really listen to the Paradisea + GS-1 combination as well if you get a chance. Something just really clicks with the pairing in my opinion.
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