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Goodbye Rega P7, Hello Sota Star Sapphire

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A little over a year ago I decided to climb back into vinyl after about a 22 year absence. I got a lot of great advice from the vinyl faithful here at head-fi.

When I was shopping for an analog setup I was very taken with the Sota designs. Member mulveling had a thread with some absolutely stunning pictures of his glorious Series II Sota Star Sapphire that was finished in Koa wood and sported a Fidelity Research FR-64fx tonearm. It was a magnificent piece of work and whenever I had a craving to drool over Sota turntables I always referred to his thread. Sadly, all of those pictures are gone now.

At that time, I started scouring Audiogon and the for sale postings here and on Vinyl Asylum for a used Sota. A new Star Sapphire runs about $3,500 and I just couldn't see myself spending that kind of money on a turntable, and then would still be faced with buying a new tonearm for it. That would have easily put the price at something just shy of $5K for an analog setup, after throwing in a phono preamp. But I wasn't having a lot of success in my search for a used Sota, and the ones I did find were clearly beat to death. So I started looking for a used turntable, with a tonearm and a cartridge for about $2,500 or less. After a short while I found a Rega P7 on Audiogon, which included a low hour Benz Micro Glider H2 MC cartridge. I was able to snag that entire setup for $1,600.





I know that Regas are not especially well regarded here. But I thought it was a good deal and figured that if these turntables were just gawd awful then Rega as a company probably wouldn't be in business. And regardless how shunned Rega turntables might be here at head-fi, they consistently get excellent reviews, so Rega must be doing something right (besides buying advertising space in the hi-fi rags that said reviews appear in from time to time ).

Truth be told, I was very happy with the Rega P7 for the year or so that I owned it, and it provided me with hundreds of hours of listening pleasure. Though I will admit that when I first took the turntable out of the box I was hard pressed to find $2,695 (retail) worth of engineering and design in that deck. The turntable is spartan by any definition. When you take the ceramic platter off of the Rega P7, what is left (the plinth, the motor, and the dust cover) probably doesn't weigh much more than 10 pounds. The platter weighs about 15 pounds. So it wasn't the most stable of platforms. But all of that aside, the Rega was capable of making some terrific music and I cannot fault it at all from that perspective.

The opportunity to grab a nice Sota Star Sapphire emerged about 10 days ago. I found a great looking specimen on Audiogon, at a time when I wasn't really looking for one, from a seller with a great feedback profile. It was a Series II and looked to be in really nice shape. The asking price for the deck was $1,399, and the seller had a SME 3009 tonearm and Sota Reflex Record Clamp that he offered to me for an additional $450. The tonearm did not have the original SME head shell, but I found one on my own from another source. Suffice it to say that I jumped at the chance and emailed the seller asking for a contact phone number. We quickly closed the deal for the whole shebang and I put my Rega P7 up for sale. I priced it to sell and took the Benz Micro Glider cart off since I was planning to mount it to the SME 3009 tonearm on the Sota. My Rega P7 was sold in less than an hour, I was paid 30 minutes later, and I shipped it out to the new owner the following morning.

The Sota Star Sapphire turntable arrived via UPS today. And it didn't come a moment too soon. This has literally been a week from hell for me. A incredibly stress-filled week at work where very little seemed to go right and some unexpected (though not very serious) health-related issues developed. I really needed something to lift my sagging spirits, which happened when a big truck with the letters UPS emblazoned on its sides pulled into my driveway.

Here is the what the driver carried up to my door:







I really love this turntable. It looks better sitting on my audio rack than it does in these pictures. This turntable is massive, tipping the scales at about 60 pounds. The vacuum platter works exactly as advertised. I took out a slightly warped record, placed it on the platter and powered up the deck. I could hear the slight whir of the vacuum motor and in about 3 seconds the record was as flat as pancake on the platter. This is a very nice feature.

I asked memepool for advice about the SME 3009 tonearm and he convinced me to get it. The price was pretty compelling as a package deal anyway since a Sota Reflex Record Clamp is about $250 new from Sota. I found the SME 3009 tonearm to be pretty easy to setup, but I also had some help from the seller. I was adjusting the rider weight when all of a sudden a small white piece of plastic and a small spring fell out of a hole in the rider weight. I couldn't figure out how to get it put back together. Thankfully the seller provided some terrific after-the-sale support and got me back on my feet in no time. Once the weight was remounted, I put the head shell on, checked alignment with a protractor, and then set the VTA, tracking weight, and bias. Shortly thereafter I was listening to my copy of Bad to the Bone by George Thorogood and I was back into a state of equilibrium and audio nirvana.

Sitting on the floor outside my home office is a box of 140 vinyl records that I bought for $30, and the seller assured me that none of them will grade any lower than VG+. I went through about 30 records just visually inspecting them and most of them looked very nice, and there are many really great titles: several RCA living stereo first pressings and a number of Columbia Six Eye jazz records. Some Lionel Hampton, a few Nat King Cole records, but mostly classical music on the Deutsche Grammophon and RCA Victor labels. I am listening to Pop Concert Favorites on the the RCA Living Stereo/RCA Camden label. The jacket is a bit worn but the record sounds like it has never even been on a turntable. And the sound is truly breathtaking.



Here's another treasure from that box...



To me this is what vinyl is really all about. That is a lesson I learned from Bigshot. Forget about those overpriced 200g pressings that have more defects than music. The real treasure is buying a bulk lot of records and finding wonderful stuff that looks virtually unplayed...and realizing that some excellent music only set you back about about a buck or two (or even less). When you factor in the shipping costs, that box of 140 LPs had a per-record cost of just 74 cents! Given that, I don't think there is anything that could possibly motivate me to buy another "audiophile" vinyl pressing for between $30 and $50. There is just too much great music out there to be had for very little money, and it isn't hard to find.

To everyone who has taken the time to share their wisdom with me along the way...many thanks. I owe you all.

--Jerome
post #2 of 21
This looks awesome, congratulations on a sweet turntable.

I take it this 3009 is the non-improved version? Asking since I am about to get a 3009 "improved" but still thinking about it since it is said that the 3009 "improved" does not work very well with LOMC's.

I was thinking about getting a heavier headshell to increase effective mass, but...

...I only have two MM cartridges and fear the SME might not be a good match for my other cartridges.
post #3 of 21
Very nice table jsaliga.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by InSides View Post
I take it this 3009 is the non-improved version? Asking since I am about to get a 3009 "improved" but still thinking about it since it is said that the 3009 "improved" does not work very well with LOMC's.
Correct. It is not the "improved" version.

--Jerome
post #5 of 21
Killer table !! I have updated your ownership status in the High End analog owners thread. Congrats on an awesome setup and I look forward to hearing your future impressions etc.
post #6 of 21
jsaliga,
gorgeous TT.

PACE
post #7 of 21
Beautiful!
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
Correct. It is not the "improved" version.

--Jerome
A very cool deck. Well worth the wait by the looks of it

What cart did you put on the SME then? Which version of the 3009 is it? If it's the 3009 Series 2 then it's low mass so the classic match would be the Shure V15 or similar MM. Or maybe even a MI courtesy of the Soundsmith range or a Grado perhaps.

Be curious to hear how you find it's sound compared to the Rega especially on more modern music.
post #9 of 21
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It was well worth the wait indeed.

The SME 3009 is a series II. I took the Benz Micro Glider MC cart I was using on the Rega and mounted it on the SME. But if you care to suggest a cart that might be a better fit with this arm then I'll certainly consider it.

I don't think I have spun enough records on the Sota yet to make an informed comparison to the Rega in terms of sound quality. But I can say that in the realm of build quality it is not even a fair contest as the two decks are in different universes. The Sota is massive, employs high quality materials through and through, features outstanding craftsmanship, and is a rock stable platform. Next to the Sota, the Rega P7 looks like it was made on an assembly line from parts supplied by the lowest bidder -- with the exception of the RB700 tonearm and ceramic platter (which are the main selling points for this deck).

The Sota sounds great so far with the Benz MC cart. I have only listened to one record so far that didn't measure up, which was a recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture by the London Festival Orchestra on Decca's London label. There was a lot of sibilance and distorted lows, but I am fairly certain it was just a poor quality recording. I have listened to a few rock albums, some jazz, but mostly classical this weekend...and so far everything I have played aside from that one record has sounded excellent. Later this afternoon I will pull out some of my prized jazz recordings that I know very, very well and do some critical listening for comparison to the Rega.

--Jerome
post #10 of 21
Wow, nice looking table.

So, being unfamiliar with the Sota tables, this has both a vacuum platter and a record clamp? Aren't both features essentially doing the same thing? I suppose the clamp assures that the vinyl and the platter are rigidly coupled and the vacuum deals with flattening the groove area, similar to a ring clamp I suppose. So I guess maybe I just answered my own question...

A vacuum platter is an interesting concept. Does the vacuum pump only run after placing the lp on the platter, and then stop as soon as it senses that the vacuum seal has been achieved?
post #11 of 21
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Sota makes a series of non-vacuum turntables, and I think the record clamp is mainly for those. After using my deck for a couple of days now I doubt I will be using the record clamp very often...if ever.

The vacuum pump will pull the record into the pliable rubber lip of the platter, forming a seal when the turntable is first powered up. As the record plays the vacuum motor runs at lower speed in order to maintain the seal. All said, I find it to be a very effective and elegant way to keep records flat during playback.

In case anyone was wondering, the vacuum is very, very low noise and you can barely hear it when you first power up the table if you are more than a couple of feet away from it. At normal play speeds you cannot hear it at all.

--Jerome
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
The SME 3009 is a series II. I took the Benz Micro Glider MC cart I was using on the Rega and mounted it on the SME. But if you care to suggest a cart that might be a better fit with this arm then I'll certainly consider it.
Ah but which series II? I hadn't realised there was also a difference between Series II and S2 but this seems to have been the case

SME | Tonearm Mounting Distance and Alignment Information | Vinyl Engine

There is some good info on effective mass and visaully telling them apart here.

SME 3009 / 3012

The original Series II was made up until 1972. The S2 / "improved" was until 1981 when the release the "R" version. The one I had was definitly an S2 "improved" with a fixed headshell going by the pics. It certainly did'nt have a hex key on the counterweight and was much happier with MM's like the Shure V15. It was also originally mounted on my TD160B so suited for a lighter suspension.


According to this any SME 3009 with a removable headshell ought to be a good mechanical match for the Benz Glider
Resonant Frequency Evaluator

But the 1812 is exactly the kind of "tourture track" which will highlight alignment / resonance issues.

Ultimately I sold my 3009 "improved" because I didn't like it as much as my Origin Live Rega derived arm on modern music and at that point I didn't consider keeping it just for playing classical music ( although nowadays I definitely would )
In many ways I found them diametrically opposed with the Rega being very strong accross the whole frequency band but a little mechanical sounding in the mids compared to the SME which had the most beautiful midrange but wasn't as good at frequency extremes.
Of course I was comparing them on the same turntable ( a Thorens TD125 ) whereas you've upgraded this as well. The Sota is probably going to make up for the deficiencies of the Rega deck in the bass, being much heavier engineered, so you probably won't notice this so much.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
Sitting on the floor outside my home office is a box of 140 vinyl records that I bought for $30, and the seller assured me that none of them will grade any lower than VG+. I went through about 30 records just visually inspecting them and most of them looked very nice, and there are many really great titles: several RCA living stereo first pressings and a number of Columbia Six Eye jazz records. Some Lionel Hampton, a few Nat King Cole records, but mostly classical music on the Deutsche Grammophon and RCA Victor labels. I am listening to Pop Concert Favorites on the the RCA Living Stereo/RCA Camden label. The jacket is a bit worn but the record sounds like it has never even been on a turntable. And the sound is truly breathtaking.
This is what it's all about. Congrats on the beautiful new deck and spin those records!
post #14 of 21
Wow, that brings back some memories for me. I had the same table around 8 years ago. SME V and Lyra Clavis DC, it sounded absolutely fantastic! Congratulations enjoy!
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post

The vacuum pump will pull the record into the pliable rubber lip of the platter, forming a seal when the turntable is first powered up. As the record plays the vacuum motor runs at lower speed in order to maintain the seal. All said, I find it to be a very effective and elegant way to keep records flat during playback.
Wow, that is an amazing engineering feat. It sounds as though they must pass the vacuum 'line' up through the vertical bearing assembly and into the platter itself, perhaps with a hollow bearing spindle. Is the platter removable?
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